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kill or don't kill - does God change?
Sorin:
Joe,
That was a really good final analogy, it makes sense to me but that still doesn't account for God writing on the stone tablets one thing and commanding them to do to the heathens another [ i.e. thou shall not commit adultery, smite every male, but the virgin females take unto thy self.... you see? ]. So the only logical explantion I see is when God said 'I change not' He was refering to His postion, who He is... God... and there are none beside Him and He will always be God
Because just like your tree analogy, even though it's still a tree through the seasons it does change from having leaves to no leaves and all that.
So I don't know, maybe I need to think this whole thing through more, and let it all sink in.
Take care,
Sorin
Sorin:
I got it! This is how, and why God did not contradict himself! The Ten Commandments were given to the Jews, for the Jews [only]. In other words, thou shall not commit adultery, thou shall not kill [murder], and all a that was given to the Jews to not do those things unto another Jew only. They didn't mean you can't rape the heathens females, just not the Jewish ones. It didn't mean thou shall not murder a heahen baby, just not a Jewish one.
It's still pretty sad, but God is God, and there's nothing we can do about it.
That's how I view that, but I'm still trying to see how that justifies God though. Meaning, as being a God of love.
Deborah-Leigh:
Sorin
Perhaps this will help. In returning to Absolute v/s Relative principles let us consider what Jesus has to say about this subject.
Matt 19 : 8 ….Because of the hardness, stubbornness and perversity of your hearts Moses permitted you to dismiss and repudiate and divorce your wives; but from the BEGINNING it has NOT BEEN SO ORDAINED.
Jer 4 : 28 For this will the earth mourn and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken, I have purposed, and I will not relent, nor will I turn back.
Gods Will and Gods Plan as we have been trained to observe through the teachings in the Myth of Free Will is that we resist God’s Will until we understand by experience that we are nothing and that we entirely depend on HIM for the fruit of HIS Spirit of love, joy, peace, kindness, goodness, patience, gentleness, faithfulness and long suffering. Until we understand that we are weak, failing and liable to temptation. That we like to sin. We enjoy it because we are subject to vanity until we are released by God.
Until we are crushed by adversity and our arrogance is shattered in trials we have to understand by revelation that we on our own mission are not willing to be humbled or made into a contrite broken spirit. Until then we sin because we like to. We enjoy being hard, stubborn perverse and selfish. We think that is the way that God wants us to be and we are blind, decieved and delluded.
Gods Will is that we come to be pure in heart and clean of hand or conscience. This is His work within us over which we have to come to depend upon HIS Mercy, Grace and Unmerited Favor.
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Sorin on January 08, 2007, 03:44:52 PM ---I got it! This is how, and why God did not contradict himself! The Ten Commandments were given to the Jews, for the Jews [only]. In other words, thou shall not commit adultery, thou shall not kill [murder], and all a that was given to the Jews to not do those things unto another Jew only. They didn't mean you can't rape the heathens females, just not the Jewish ones. It didn't mean thou shall not murder a heahen baby, just not a Jewish one.
It's still pretty sad, but God is God, and there's nothing we can do about it.
That's how I view that, but I'm still trying to see how that justifies God though. Meaning, as being a God of love.
--- End quote ---
No Sorin I do not believe this is the answer either.
Remember the analogy I made with the boy and his Dad? What looked like wanton destruction just for gratification to the boy was in fact a plan to rebuild something better than ever for the Dad.
Humans in their carnal state rape, pillage, murder for personal gain, God uses destruction to rebuild and purify. If you have faith that God's plan is going to put everything back together better than ever then where is He being two faced or hypocritical?
This will be my last post in this thread, I think I have taken it as far as I can at this time.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
Matt 25 : 24,25 He who had received one talent also came forward, saying, Master, I knew you to be a harsh and hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you had not winnowed the grain. 25. So I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is your own. 26. But his master answered him, You wicked and lazy and idle servant! Did you indeed know that I reap where I have not sowed and tgather grain where I have not winnowed? 30 Throw the good-for nothing servant into the outer darkness, there will be weeping and grinding of teeth."
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