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kill or don't kill - does God change?
TimothyVI:
--- Quote from: andrevan on January 07, 2007, 09:40:53 PM ---Hi All.
Although Kat’s analogy is a good one, it is not perfect and only goes so far.
In response to Tim's modification to Kat’s analogy, we need to remember that the parent is not completely sovereign. The parent did not create the other little girl, nor did the parent create the bicycle. The parent does not own everything and did not create everything. The parent’s rights are therefore limited. The parent is also not perfect or completely just. God is both perfect and just.
The pivotal point is sovereignty.
In reality God is completely & fully sovereign. God is not limited. He is the very creator and owner of every single thing in every single dimension in the universe and beyond. He therefore can do as He pleases. He is the Sovereign God! :)
Hope this helps.
God bless.
Andrevan.
--- End quote ---
You are absolutely right Andrevan. I would never question the right of God to do as He pleased.
He is, after all, God!
I only question why he would command people to do things that were contradictory to His own
commandment. You have to admit that it creates confusion if nothing else. Especially to those of
us who are not yet quite able to understand His teaching method. I am trying to learn to understand.
I pray each time I study His word for Him to grant me this understanding.
Ray has accused Christians of putting round pegs in square holes, or something to that effect. Literally bending
things to fit what they want to believe. I think that we are guilty of the same thing if we do not question
things like this that do not make sense to a reasonable person. Contradictions like this are not reasonable. And it is not
understood by a reasonable mind to say that it is O.K to contradict yourself just because you have the right to do so.
Especially if you are in charge of everything and at random change a law that you said must be followed by everyone.
Would not God want for his people to know not only that He was sovereign, but that His laws were laws that all people must follow in order to be made more in the image Him. Which would mean that He himself would follow the same law if He were human. In fact that is exactly what He did when He came to earth as a human.
If we accept the fact that God would change his own law about murdering whenever it pleased Him to do so. Then how do we
condemn people like the KKK who claimed that they were doing God's work. After all, if you are doing the will of God
taking another persons life is killing, if not it is murder. Of course we would say that we know that is a crock. They could not be doing the will of God, they were doing evil things.
But if everything is done as God wills, then??? God did not say, thou shall not murder unless
you are one of My chosen people, for you it is acceptable to kill anyone who is not a Jew and is living on land that I want you to have.
I have much to think about and on which to meditate .
Tim
hillsbororiver:
Earlier in this thread I attempted to provide an example of how tearing down & destroying something can be an ultimately positive thing. Let me approach it from another angle.
I tell my young son not to make holes in the walls of the house or to break any windows as he plays with his toy tool set. The next day he watches me take a sledgehammer to the walls of a house down the street, he also witnesses me breaking and tearing out the windows, ripping out carpet, etc.
As he silently watches me his mind is asking why is it ok for Dad to destroy and break things when he tells me not to do them. He walks away disappointed in his Dad and reports to his young friends how Daddy says one thing while he does just the opposite.
Am I a hypocrite? Do I tell my boy one thing as I do something else? Is there another answer?
Yes, I renovate houses. I must tear down the old tattered stuff that is no longer desirable so I can replace these old useless, musty, moldy, componants with fresh new materials that will make this house better than new.
Too bad my boy did not hang around and ask me, he has seen consistancy in everything else I do or say in regard to him, that is ok, he will find out the real answer eventually.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
TimothyVI:
Cool Joe. ;D
I like that.
tim
Pax Vobiscum:
Like Al Pacino in the final Godfather movie, "Just when I thought I was out, TimothyVI sucked me right back in!"
I do appeciate Joe's final analogy about God's sovereignty. It make sense and is quite elegant. However, God's sovereignty is not in question (as I see it) and it does not answer Sorin's question.
First, God did not command us to to not rape and steal "unless I tell you to." But that is not the biggest paradox.
Imagine Jesus talking and saying in effect, "I have told you not to commit adultery, but now I tell you that anyone with lust in his or her heart..."
OT foods were unclean, but Paul tells us all foods are clean (even Twinkies??). If Moses and Paul are speaking with God's authority....
The example of these types of commandment changes are many.
Whether he is amending or appending it is a change.
This thread took a turn toward the sovereignty of God (which I do not question here), but if we return to the question at hand, I invite you to re-read my first entry into this thread.
Peace
hillsbororiver:
Hi Pax,
Actually I did not intend to comment on God's sovereignity. My intention was to comment or illustrate our perception of His methodology and how some could see this as Him changing His mind or even hypocrisy.
I can see your point in regard to change though, but more like a tree will change through the course of the seasons rather than becoming something other than a tree or a different kind of tree.
His Peace and Wisdom to you Brother,
Joe
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