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kill or don't kill - does God change?
Kat:
Hi Tim,
Well the analogy was one way to look at it.
So in the OT and what God had Israel do, was a shadow or example for us.
As Israel destroyed the pagan nations, wouldn't that mean, this should also happen again?
God hardened there hearts, and they came against Israel, who destroyed them.
Jos 11:20 For it was of Jehovah to harden their hearts so that they should come against Israel in battle, so that they might be destroyed, so that they might have no favor, but that He might destroy them, as Jehovah commanded Moses.
This is speaking of the Day of the Lord, this has yet to happen.
Isa 13:4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together; Jehovah of Hosts gathers an army for the battle.
Isa 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of the heavens, Jehovah and the weapons of His indignation, to destroy all the land.
Isa 13:6 Howl! For the day of Jehovah is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings, the God of Heaven shall set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed. And the kingdom shall not be left to other peoples, but it shall crush and destroy all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.
Zec 12:9 And it shall be in that day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
This sounds very similar to what Israel did to the pagan as they took over the land.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
andrevan:
Hi All.
Although Kat’s analogy is a good one, it is not perfect and only goes so far.
In response to Tim's modification to Kat’s analogy, we need to remember that the parent is not completely sovereign. The parent did not create the other little girl, nor did the parent create the bicycle. The parent does not own everything and did not create everything. The parent’s rights are therefore limited. The parent is also not perfect or completely just. God is both perfect and just.
The pivotal point is sovereignty.
In reality God is completely & fully sovereign. God is not limited. He is the very creator and owner of every single thing in every single dimension in the universe and beyond. He therefore can do as He pleases. He is the Sovereign God! :)
Hope this helps.
God bless.
Andrevan.
Sorin:
Wow, I wasn't expecting so many replies and I'm glad things didn't get out of hand and that the thread didn't get locked or deleted or anything. I really need to read this thread over starting with my first post and everyone's replies, and I need to meditate on it for a while.
I just have so many things on my mind right now it's hard for me to focus on just one thing. When I first registered to this site again I was really 'on fire' for The Lord sort of speak, but now I don't know....
Take care,
Sorin
hebrewroots98:
Dear Sorin,
Be of good cheer; this is MEAT! Do not try to take too much right now, b/c ..."all things work to gether for the good of those who have been called according to His purose..." No matter what, God is going to be in charge of wether HE opens your eyes to these things right now or if He wants to wait to show you these truths. Just b/c you're going thru a valley right now, doesn't mean that there aren't more times when you will be on fire for the Lord. Hang in there brother; rjust run to finish the race set before you; patience is a virtue ;)
this is a great thread that you started, thanks. :D
rrammfcitktturjsp:
To All,
This thread just keeps on getting better and better. I am so pleased at the harmony that is between all of us even though we are discussing a very controversial topic. Kudos to all involved.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
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