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Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Rocky
Few will be raised to Spiritual bodies co-heir status with Christ. Some will be raised to inherit the earth. Many will be raised to White Throne Judgement and conversion to righteousness.
There are three types and two results. Those to inherit the earth and those who receive spiritual bodies will together rule with Christ and facilitate the conversion to righteousness of the unrighteous on earth in the White Throne Judgment, until the knowledge of the Lord fills all the earth. Then every knee will bow.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
YellowStone:
Arcturus:
Let's look at this question a little differently. Let us assume that I won the loto, and chose too take the $20million over twenty years.
Would I ever have the $20million? Because surely I would spend some if not most of it before the last payment. Certainly, one could reason that I could earn a good portion by smart investing, but that would be a different portion of money. It is because of the $20million, not part of. Does that make sense.
Continiuing on with this scenario; let us assume that the payout is $1million a year for twenty years. (round numbers are easy)
I can bank on the promise of the remaining $19million. I may not have it in my bank account, but I known given time that I will recieve what has been promised. In the mean time, I can borrow against the promise and by a grand house, yatch, etc; or simply dig a hole and bury it because I am comfortable where I am.
Do you see the similarity between this scenario and the promise of life because of Christ's death?
Jhn 6:51
* I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
My pending salvation is just like the $20million, I may not have it all at once, but I know it is mine and will be mine sometime in the future.
I think the real question is when do I believe I"got" the $20million, the moment I see the "winning numbers", the moment Iget the first $1million payment, or rather the moment I have the last cent in my hand?
I believe that it is the moment I see the winning numbers, for my faith in the lottery system is sufficient enough to know that I will recieve all the money, even over many years. Likewise, I believe that the promise of my/our salvation was fulfilled at the time of Christ's death and resurection. What is salvation? To me it is knowing that God so loved us that he gave his only begotten Son to death, so that we may never die.
Jhn 3:16
* For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Not ever die does not mean as a human, for unless the end come soon, we will all surely die in this world. No, we will not perish in the sense that God will not forget us, and we will live again in the Kingdom he will prepare. (assuming he has not already)
If I have faith that carnal man will keep a promise of paying me money over many years, how much more confident am I that that God will keep his promise. Truly, in my heart, soul and spirit it is a done deal. I am fully prepared to go through whatever God has planned for me, for I know all that is in store for me is for my good. This is such a wonderful fealing and I know exactly how David felt when he said:
Psa 23:6
* Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
David, only knew of what was to happen, (Christ's death) yet even his faith was strong enough to know that his salvation was a slam dunk. :)
Do you understand that I do not have to have the last inkling of my "new" body in God's new Kingdom to really know that I am saved. I don't need it, for I see and feel God all around and I know that he loves me more than I will ever know in this life.
I could and am willing to go back to before creation; God always knew his plan for me.
I hope that you are able to see where I am coming from? I believe that this has more to do with faith than fulfillment. (AND I would never suggest that you do not have faith) :)
Much Love to You.
Darren
rocky:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on January 19, 2007, 05:13:53 PM ---Hello Rocky
Few will be raised to Spiritual bodies co-heir status with Christ. Some will be raised to inherit the earth. Many will be raised to White Throne Judgement and conversion to righteousness.
There are three types and two results. Those to inherit the earth and those who receive spiritual bodies will together rule with Christ and facilitate the conversion to righteousness of the unrighteous on earth in the White Throne Judgment, until the knowledge of the Lord fills all the earth. Then every knee will bow.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
--- End quote ---
thanks for the reply. I think what u are saying is that if we aren't raised with a spiritual body (only for the elect), we will be raised with a flesh body on earth to undergo judgment on the soul/flesh.
So, theorietically, i could, if not risen in a spiritual body, be raised with another flesh body after my current death and on the earth????
Deborah-Leigh:
Dear Rocky
I can only share what I have at this point in my walk with Jesus. I do not know if it will be for you though but here it is anyway.
NT SONS – Overcomers, tried and found faithful. They inherit the Kingdom of God in Spirit – 1st Resurrection to exaltation to divine nature of Christ. Their work pertains to all things in Heaven and in earth: spiritual and human. 8)
Eph 1 : 10, 1Cor 6:10. The greatest in the Kingdom.
OT SERVANTS – In Judgment with the world are those who RECEIVE their reward and are raised to the exaltation and honour of God among men having been tried and found faithful, are raised to perfection as men. “You shall see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God” Perfected men under direction of unseen Spiritual members of God’s Kingdom establish a perfect Government among men. Heb 3 5,6 2nd Resurrection Saints of God who belong to God’s House. These inherit the earth. :)
CAST OUTS – Their names are not recorded in the Book of Life. Those who LOOSE their reward. 1 Cor 3 15 :'( >:( :o
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Darren
I see what you see and as you say:
I believe that this has more to do with faith than fulfillment…..
you have put your finger right on the button, the dividing line and difference between our respective view points. I, unlike you, or perhaps just like you….I put my eyes towards HIM and HIS faith and HIS return to fulfil the rewards of the promises God has written. Like, my eyes I prefer to be on the giver not the gift.
(AND I would never suggest that you do not have faith)
As for anyone suggesting that anyone does not have faith ….I agree! :D NO ONE should EVER stand on such thin ice!
Romans 12 3 For by the grace, unmerited favor of God given to me I warn everyone among you not to estimate and think of himself more highly than he ought, not to have an exaggerated opinion of his own importance, but to rate his ability with sober judgment, each according to the degree of faith apportioned by God to him.
Faith is a gift from God and it is also a fruit of the Spirit of Christ. ;D For me this is a CONSEQUENCE of Christ not an asset of mine or $20 million part layby deposit. I know I will never be as Christ. He is first and last Alpha and Omega. The best I can be is a Daughter of God made Christ like in the first resurrection. Somehow, I really do not think I am in that league! Only God can make or cause me to be! I'd like to be but BUT only if it is the WILL and PLAN of God. ;D
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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