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another NOOB question :)
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver ---Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
Pro 20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
1Th 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God who hath also given unto us his Holy Spirit.
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Hi Frank, these verses are from the OT & NT and I thought they addressed your question.
Joe
ertsky:
--- Quote ---or is it that Chris or Craig or Joe or anyone else who may read this thread are saying that there is a spirit from God in man, but that that spirit is not the paraclete, the hagios pneuma, the holy spirit
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that would make sense to me, indeed that's what i believe
that ALL people are of God, that is out of God as a scource but that not ALL people are yet born again of God's spirit, though in God's plan ALL people will eventually be reconciled in the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.
or have i got that wrong ?
f
ertsky:
thanks mike that's pretty much how i see it, or is it LOL! my brain hurts :)
just trying to make sure we are all of one mind on this
i would love for the doctrine of Christ in all this to become clear
i'll come back to this as soon as i've rested the grey cells
f
hillsbororiver:
Frank, I believe both to be true, think of all the parables with seed, grow, harvest, etc. and also the seed that does not take root, or begins to grow then withers, aren't we being grown into sons and daughters of Him? Where is that growth taking place, in spirit.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Hos 10:12 Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.
Mat 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field:
Mat 13:32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
I am seeing the breath of life, the Spirit of God as the mustard seed planted in the dust of the earth. Seeking the Lord in all things is what makes it grow, producing the fruits of the Spirit.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Does seeking the Spirit of Christ nurture Him in you? What do you think?
Joe
ertsky:
hmmmm not quite sure at the moment Joe (and anyone else reading)
i'm still back at this point
if someone said to me "all men have the holy spirit in them right now"
i would say no they don't, the scripture says this
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
and this
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
is this wrong am i saying something that dishonours Christ ?
does anyone reading (especially Craig Chris and Joe) consider this error ?
i will not post again till you've replied as i don't want any confusion
which often happens with posts flying in all directions
well i hope you know i am seeking the mind of Christ in all this
i'm not trying to argue for the sake of it, i want crystal clarity and by God's mercy i believe it's His will that i have it
He is not the Author of confusion
f
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