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Kat:

1Tim 1:4  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies,
which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith.

I could not see clearly on this topic so I decided to call Ray, this is a scripture he gave concerning this discussion.  Endless genealogies has a spiritual meaning, speculation, and that we should not do it..

I have read through this thread and the brief conversation I had with Ray about this subject, leads me to say that Alan has got this right, thanks Alan.  Christ was created and His coming out of God does not change that or make Him eternal. 

So as Ray said, I do not want to speculate on anything else concerning this topic  :)

Bradigans, here is what Ray has to say about the idea that Adam was made to fall.

http://bible-truths.com/lake15-D.html -------------------------------------------------

THE UNSCRIPTURAL ‘FALL OF MAN’

Since both theories stated above teach a "fall of man," it is needful that we briefly address this unscriptural theory. I, as well as most of you have heard of the "fall of man" hundreds if not thousands of times. One would think there is reference to "man’s fall" at least a few dozen places in the Bible. NOT. The fabled "fall of man" is not mentioned in the Bible because it is just that—A FABLE. Man was NEVER a perfect spiritual specimen in the very image of God who then "FELL" from that lofty position. No, man was "naked flesh"—SIN. Man [humankind] was a sinner who when given the opportunity, SINNED.
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat

iris:
Thank you Kat! May God be with you and continue to open your eyes to see more clearly.  :-*

And thank you Ray! May God be with you and bless you.

Peace and Love,
Iris

YellowStone:
Kat, my dear sister :)

Thanks again for pointing us in the right direction. I believe I was not seeing Alan's real point.

So I decided to research the word "Eternal" and this is what I found: :)

Eternal (aionios {ahee-o'-nee-os}) [Strongs 166]

Outline of Biblical Usage
  1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
  2) without beginning
  3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

So you are of course perfectly right. :) It matters not when Christ came out of the Father; rather, that he did. Therefore, Christ did have a beginning and thus can never be classified as eternal in the complete sense, becasue he is is not "without beginning."

Thanks for contacting Ray and giving us his feedback in a loving matter. :)

Brother Love in Christ,
Darren
 

DWIGHT:
Thanks kat,

It's good to have a clarification because it was getting a little bit out of hand.

God bless,

Dwight

rrammfcitktturjsp:
To All,

  Christ had a beginning?????  Wow, this is getting deep.  If there are resouces that go into this more deeply in Ray's papers, please by all means post them.  I am thouroughly confused.  I thought that Christ said he was the beginning and the end, and to meet those fufillments you would have to be outside of time.  If he had a beginning was he in time or something else.

  I was understanding this thread, until this came up.  Please help, I am a little lost.

  Sincerely,




  Anne C. McGuire

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