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Jesus and the tomb
Deborah-Leigh:
Kat
That was beautifully expounded. 8)
I believe the Elect will be those who are glorified with Christ and will share in His inheritance.To this end Paul knew he was running his race for that high calling!
John 5 : 26 For even as the Father has life in Himself and is self-existent, so He has given to the Son to have life in Himself and be self-existent.
1 Cor 15 : 53,54 For this perishable part of us must put on the imperishable nature, and this mortal part of us, this nature that is capable of dying must put on immortatlity, freedom from death. 54. And when this perishable puts on the imperishable and this that was capable of dying puts on freedom from death, then shall be fulfilled the Scripture that says, Death is swallowed up utterly vanquished forever in and unto victory.
The Elect will already have this reward but all the others who did not die and become burried with Christ or recieve the baptism, regeneration from above, begotten anew, conversion and testing judgments and who are tried and proven faithful to the end, in otherwords everyone else, the many, will go to the second death LOF. That will be more difficult because becoming dead with Christ now before His return is acceptable to God - a sacrifice of sweet odor. But afterwards....where does the scriptures say, many will long for death and it will not come...What you wrote Kat : But they will be immortal, because they will not have a physical death again. caused me to think again!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Kat:
Hi Arcturus,
I think the scripture you are referring to is in Rev. 9.
Rev 9:6 And in those days people will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them.
So much is going on there, too much to speculate about.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
DWIGHT:
Hi sisters,
If Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have to go through the LOF, then why did Jesus say, " Matthew 8:11 - And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven." Unless there is more than one kingdom; which I don't think there is. But then in the very next verse, Jesus says, "But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
These dry bones in Ezekiel are talking about Israel being dead and then being made alive; but we know that we are the Israel of God and this was just a shadow of things to come. So maybe Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are just a shadow as well.
I'll tell what has always bothered me and that's in Revelation. In the New Jerusalem, there is the tree of life on either side of the river...right? And it says, that the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. What nations? Are there other people outside of the New Jerusalem? Apparently!
Man there is a lot we don't know, isn't there? But we are in the right place to hopefully find out. In the meantime, its wonderful to fellowship and share our thoughts with each other. ;D
God bless,
Dwight
Deborah-Leigh:
Kat
thank you very much fro that scripture. Yes that is the one that fits!
Amen
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Yes Dwight I think we are exactly where God wants us! Amen to you too bro 8)
hebrewroots98:
This is so great to try to figure out these tough issues that have been on our hearts for so long! I am excited to know the outcome. GoOd job broTHers and sisters in presenting all of the dif. scenarios! You are so close, keep it going... (I REALLY, REALLY WANT TO KNOW THE CULMINATION OF ALL OF THIS. :o :o :o)
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