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How does one arrive at new truths and revelations from God?
YellowStone:
My dear brothers and sisters,
If I am reading the following wrong, then I am sadly mistaken and seek forgiveness
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
What does it mean, to be without excuse? I think it means that if you don't get it, then you are not excused.
Joe, you are so very right. Many did not get it at all; some got some of it and in "their wisdom" learned to navigate, measure time, etc.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
But did everyone fail to see the things of God. Not according to the Scripture,
Psa 26:3 For thy loving kindness [is] before mine eyes: and I have walked in thy truth.
Psa 57:10 For thy mercy [is] great unto the heavens, and thy truth unto the clouds.
Psa 98:2 The LORD hath made known his salvation: his righteousness hath he openly shewed in the sight of the heathen.
Psa 98:3 He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.
Psa 25:5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou [art] the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day.
Psa 40:11 Withhold not thou thy tender mercies from me, O LORD: let thy lovingkindness and thy truth continually preserve me.
I see the above Scriptures as David telling us that he could see the loving kindness of God in creation. He could see the truth, and walked in it. (Please note that I am NOT saying that David did not have a special relationship with God and Jehovah) This truth was available (and still is) all over the Earth.
God promised that he would instill the truth in his people.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. (Ref. Hebrews 8:10)
Here it is, God himself saying that He will put His Truth in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;
Fellow brothers and sisters, I discovered the above Scripture since I posted my original truth statement. I will post it again and let you all be the judge. :)
I believe from the very center of my being, which is God and his Son, that the truth was always in me and always available to me.....This is what I am trying to say, the truth is in us, it is just waiting to be released. This is why truth can be found anywhere at anytime. No one person has the sole handle on truth.
Is not discovery of truth sometimes like a light bulb? Off and dark and in an instant, on and bright.
The light always there, but the darkness overshadowed it.
2Cr 4:6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
Psa 97:11 Light is sown for the righteous, and gladness for the upright in heart.
Comments welcome,
May God continue to Bless you my brother and sisters,
Darren
YellowStone:
Hi Kat,
I think I can see where our paths part :)
I think we might be able to walk together again, real soon. :)
My responses in blue
As I look at scripture it indicates that we 'come' to the truth, that it isn't already there.
1Tim 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Come to the knowledge of truth, is different than obtaining truth. One may hold a truth for years and never recognize it as such
John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
John 15:26 And when the Comforter has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He shall testify of Me.
Kat, I am not discounting this at all, NOT A BIT! :) But who can say when the spirit comes? When you're 40, 80 or just a child? Also, (spitting hairs here) God is truth, the spirit is the spirit of this truth. :)
And this seems to say some will never come to the truth in this life.
2Tim 3:7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
v. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith;
Kat, the above Scripture witnesses my point very well. Some will never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. They HAVE the truth, yet know it not as truth and resist it. [Rom 1:21]
These scripture all say we receive the truth from God :)
Kat, I do not believe I ever said that the truth did not come from God, please show where I wrote that so that I can apologize to the whole forum.
God told us that he would put truth inside us and write it on our hearts.
Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Thanks for your input. Thank God for this wonderful opportunity to learn of His truth. :)
Your brother in Christ,
Darren
DWIGHT:
Hi Darren,
You said, "Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
What does it mean, to be without excuse? I think it means that if you don't get it, then you are not excused.
Does this mean that all mankind has had the truth in them always? It's true that all creation is for mankind to understand that there is a Godhead with eternal power, but is that Godhead in all mankind? Isn't all mankind dead in their sins (spiritually).
Ephesians 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses
Mankind is dead spiritually until God makes them alive by His Spirit. You quoted, 2Cr 4:6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
God had to shine His light into our darkness...our death....before He could give us the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
Jn. 14:6
I am the way, the truth, and the life...Christ is the truth...but He was not always in you. The light came on when He made you alive and not until then.
We were all children of wrath and of our father Satan, even Jesus said, "John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
Darren, I believe that all that you are seeing happens after we are made alive by His Spirit. Just the way I see it.
Your brother,
Dwight
YellowStone:
Just another jewel that I found, regarding finding God (truth) in Creation. :)
Psa 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Psa 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
Psa 19:3 [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard.
Psa 19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
Psa 19:5 Which [is] as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, [and] rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
Psa 19:6 His going forth [is] from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD [is] perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD [is] sure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD [are] right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD [is] pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD [is] clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD [are] true [and] righteous altogether.
There is no where on this Earth where His truth through creation is not heard. (Note it did not say "understood") :)
Love to all,
Darren
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: YellowStone on April 08, 2007, 07:17:28 PM ---
Man seeks to make God available to only a few.
--- End quote ---
Darren, I truly do not believe this is the domain of man or even within His power. The Lord reveals Himself to whom He wills.
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on April 09, 2007, 09:04:10 PM ---
Deu 7:6 For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
Deu 7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent and hast revealed them unto babes.
Mat 11:26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Mat 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:
--- End quote ---
Darren,
What you posted on Psalms 19 is truly inspiring but I am seeing this scripture as not pertaining primarily to the here and now, the physical realm, but in the next age when all the rest of creation is experiencing the chastising grace of His Spirit, His refining heat/fire to the eventual conversion of all.
Is this (Psalm 19) not speaking of judgement?
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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