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hillsbororiver:
Darren you wrote;
"God is free to will anything",
This is the Truth.
I believe that the Father is the only entity that has free will, period.
Even His Son testified to this, that the Father's will must be done, as the Father is greater than our Lord.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 26:39 And he went a little farther and fell on his face and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Joh 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Jehovah (Jesus), the God of the Old Testament is bound by His Father's will, how can the creature be greater than the Creator?
The circumstances, the causes, that direct our actions are as a potter forming a vessel, He is creating us this very minute and it is He who forms us as He wills not by our own.
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
Luk 12:25 And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?
As Ray, Chris and other members here have pointed out we have the ability to make choices but within a very narrow range of options, and that is while we are even in our carnal state and without God given faith we cannot choose Him.
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
This verse sums it up for me;
Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part A http://bible-truths.com/lake15.html
The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part B http://bible-truths.com/lake15-B.html
The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part C http://bible-truths.com/lake15-C.html
The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part D http://bible-truths.com/lake15-D.html
YellowStone:
Joe,
Sometimes it's hard to cause my face muscles to form a smile :(
But not this time!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
I have learned something today. 'Instant Coffee' is a fallacy :)
This was good:
Luk 12:25 And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?
Action is Cause. Thoughts without action is as nothing.
Thanks Joe,
Love in Christ,
Darren
seminole:
I am just not that smart when trying to read behind the wording and all that. I will leave this topic alone for those who can figure out the words and phrases.
Seminole
gmik:
Seminole, Not sure what you meant on your last post or if you will even return to see my post...anyway....
To: Craig, Joe, Darren, Matt, Kat, Diana, Rocky, CDJ, and CIY (I hope I didn't omit anyone)
A BIG THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
Upon rereading this thread I have gotten the biggest blessing. Yes, this is a very tough topic for our minds to grasp, especially if you were brought up believing in free-will. But the wisdom in scripture, the links to Ray, and the simple examples that everyone has used here has set my feet a dancin! Its getting clearer and clearer.
Seminole, you simply must study, reread, study, ask questions. You are among wise counsel here. Don't give up.
Jackie Lee:
I still struggle with freewill, even though for years I wondered Why things didn't pan out the way I planned sometimes the opposite.
I still think if I had know then what I know now things would be different.
It wouldn't have though.
I would have did the same thing all over.
I know that I know we have no freewill yet I still revert back like we do.
I hear almost daily about freewill, I usually say things will work out the way they are supposed to.
I just can't bring myself to tell someone yet we have no freewill.
The last time I even tried to mention it was close to a confrontation.
It is a battle for me to concede to the fact we have no freewill just choices.
What a battle yet I know it is true.
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