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Questions on Christs baptism
Bill:
--- Quote from: ciy on June 15, 2007, 07:24:30 PM ---Following verses may lend some guidance. I think it was more like a sign to people. It thundered or they heard a noise at that particular moment.
Joh 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
CIY
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CIY,
I see what you are saying but if some hears Gods voice as a thunder and some understand it either way they heard it but from what I understand no one has heard his voice. The reason I believe this because God is spirit so he is an invisible God. He is not some man that has a voice. I whish I could explain this all better.
Any way thanks
Bill:
I do hope you guys are not getting impatient with me. I am trying to understand this.
Please correct me anywhere that I am wrong.
It seems the consensus is that it was God the father that said "Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." but it was not his voice that said it????
Also I had a few other questions that I was curious about. Perhaps I will try to answer them and some can correct me where I am in error.
Who Saw the spirit like a dove?
Matthew, Mark and Luke witness that at least Christ saw the spirit like a dove. And John says that he also saw it. So perhaps Matthew, Mark and Luke did as well.
How does one see a spirit?
I have not a clue. But appears that we do not see it, but we see something represents it. As the scriptures I reference in the OP says it was like a dove. I would also like to point out that Matthew and Mark say that the spirits of God came down from the Heavens but Luke and John say it descended from heaven. So is this Heavens as in the sky or heaven where the Father Dwells?
Who's voice said "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"? And who heard it?
No clue as to who's voice. But it appears That at least Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Christ and all the others that witnessed Christ baptism.
Thanks again guys
skydreamers:
Hi BK,
You are not alone in being confused. I don't understand how this works either ???
May God open our eyes and ears and give us understanding!!
Peace,
Diana
LittleBear:
Hi everyone,
Mtt. 3:17, and lo, a voice from heaven saying, This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.
Jn. 5:37 ...ye have neither heard his voice at any time
Heb. 3:7 Wherefore (as the holy ghost saith, today if you will hear His voice...
I'm thinking that the word "voice" in these three scriptures is the same Strong's number 5456. It's the same number in Revelation also, which is a book of symbols.
So perhaps the voice was given in the spirit to those that "heard" it. People would have heard the voice with their spiritual ears, not their physical ears. Heaven in this case, could mean God's kingdom which is not a geographical area, but is "at hand" and is closer to us than our breath. And not heaven, like up in the sky.
The scripture in Jn. 5:37 says you have not neither heard His voice at any time . So the voice in Mtt. 3:17 was in the spiritual, heavenly realm which is outside of time.
Just my take on this.
Ursula
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: BK on June 15, 2007, 11:38:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on June 15, 2007, 03:10:22 PM ---Hi BK & Craig,
Luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Luk 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
I know that when I try to figure out the power and majesty of God my puny brain just cannot fathom very much at all.
The message that was proclaimed at the Lord's baptism was from the Father but was it really His voice? Do we presently have the technology to synthesize vocal communication? Could the Father have just manipulated the wind, air, water or whatever to proclaim His pleasure? Would He be limited to using His Spiritual vocal chords?
This is what came to mind when I saw this question presented.
His power is beyond our comprehension.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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Hi Joe,
Thanks for taking the time to respond but I am afraid in order for me to understand what you are saying you will have to possibly simplify what it is you are saying.
What I think you are saying is that it was not Gods voice but God caused something oe some one else to speak on his behalf. Am I close?
Thanks
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Hi BK,
Yes, that was my thought, with God all things are possibe.
We must approach this knowing that God's Word does not contradict itself. We read no man has heard the voice of the Father (John 5:37) yet He proclaimed His pleasure with His Son. God can manipulate nature animate or inanimate any way He pleases, right?
Think about this just as you or I could type an audible message with a voice synthesizer (like Stephen Hawking) He could use whatever means He desired to cause people to hear His message without actually having to speak it.
Perhaps even just the sound of His actual voice would be too much for us to bear in this present state in the flesh.
His Peace to you,
Joe
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