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The Price You Pay for Truth
LittleBear:
Hi Scribbles,
I am in agreement with you. I don't understand the need to confront the leadership with the truth, because of the fact that they are the blind leading the blind. One does not have any obligation to them, and it's throwing your precious pearls before swine. The leadership will trample one's newfound truths underfoot. Why do people subject themselves to this? In Beth's case, though, she is in a position of leadership, so I suppose she felt obligated because of that reason.
I feel for you Beth, and I hope you remain strong. I have this feeling that you will sneak in here once in a while.
Beth said: I just feel, though, that if I have to come before the pastor and "recant", (no matter how nice he is, and sweet and loving, this is what he has in essence asked me to do) then I will not be able to deny the truth.
Beth, if you are in a position of leadership, your pastor will probably want a recantation. I shake my head at this. I take it as "It doesn't matter what you really think, we just want lip service, and be a good girl and fall in line."
As CIY says, "The price is all, everything." I will pray that you keep your focus on God and His truth, and know that whatever price God requires of you, it will be worth it, and you will be rejoicing when He brings you through this.
Love,
Ursula
bambam:
I have been trying to read the comments made to my farewell. I just want you all to know that you have been encouraging to me. I wanted to share with you that I did not want to go to the pastor at all. As a matter of fact I wanted to keep it to myself at this point. But my husband went to the pastor very hurt and not knowing what to do about me. Then my husband asked me to come meet with the pastor and his wife with him and I did because I love my husband. But I never once admitted to the pastor that I was into false doctrine, because I do not think I am. But he tried to get me to admit it. I was sad because he did not use much scripture while talking to me. And I try as much as I can to use scripture when it comes to my mind, after all, is that not what we are basing our beliefs on-the scriptures?
I don't know much. I wish I knew it all, but I do not know much. What I do know is that I want to believe what Ray says, ten thousand times more than what my pastor says. He gave me a book to read-by Dr. Kennedy of course. I began reading it and noticed that he used scripture, but not much-most of his writing is his feeling and quotes from other famous or Godly people in the world.
God set this all up you know. ;) I did NOT want to talk to my pastor, but He had other plans for me. It may very well be His way of dragging me out. I am not sure what my husband will do if I do not let go of these newfound truths. Maybe he loves me enough to step down from leadership, because the pastor will not let him lead with me not "recanting". I don't mind going to church-it's not a big deal to me, really. Maybe it will be someday.
It is funny how what you feel on the inside can fall out of you without you even realizing it. That is how I got into this in the first place. God just said it's time, I suppose.
My husband has canceled our internet, so after Thursday, I will not be able to check back here. But that is okay because then I can keep my word to my husband that i won't come here anymore. :D
I was wrong in breaking his trust. I feel bad about that. But, I know I have been here for a reason and I have more faith in God and His control than ever before. He truly is in control, and when you truly believe that, you have nothing to fear for sure. God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind!!
Blessings to you all.
Beth
Deborah-Leigh:
Hey Beth
You dear hubby is doing something literal to combat something Spiritual and Divine and that is Gods influence on your dear heart! No doubt he needs to cancel your internet to discover the Spirit of God is not dependent on internet. ;D :D
My ex-pastor stopped us bring the Bible into his meetings!...Did not work...my husband and I still got Dragged out!
No one no length or depth, not life or angels or principalities or things impending and threatening or things to come or powers or anything in all creation can thwart the Plan or Purpose of God and HIS love for us which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. We may not know nor understand Gods ways or plans in our immediate circumstances, but we can trust to His Care and Plans and be grateful to HIM for the time we could share with you here.
Peace to you
Arcturus. :)
Robin:
I will keep you in prayer bambam.
God will continue to teach you even though you are not here with us.
I did not have this site when God started teaching me and he did not let me slip out of his hand.
You have a family out here. You are never alone. Sometimes God separates us so we can learn to trust in him alone. Keep trusting him. He will never let you down no matter how dark it may seem to look.
Hugs,
MG
gmik:
I am so at a loss. I don't understand how husbands can NOT give a little credence to the understandings, wants, desires of the wife. My hubby first thought I was nuts, but he kept listening and w/ ALL the scripture I was throwin at him He couldn't disagree w/ anything. We were in leadership, my husband went to Russia w/ the pastor, our kids still are there(sort of) and I said...gotta get out of there...and hubby followed me. It was NOT easy.
I don't blame Beth at all, I am just trying to understand MEN who have to have it their way. That church has a cultish ring to it if you ask me...recant??? Isn't that a middle age term?
Scribbles I agree w/ your post 100%.
I am assuming Beth is not reading this or hardly anybody is, but I am just venting. I feel sorry for Beth and mad at her hubby and that "pastor". I will get over it and have to accept God's will but aarrrgggghhhh!
Beth per chance, if you do read this, please forgive me. I am just gonna miss ya! I know you will be OK. Love ya hon.
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