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sonofone:
I still don't see where I am missing it? Eve was deceived then she sinned. This is scripture. Ist Corinthians 10 vs 13There is no temptation taken you but such as is common to man,but God is faithful,WHO WILL NOT PERMIT YOU TO BE TEMPTED ABOVE THAT YE ARE ABLE.but will with the temptation also make the way to escape so that ye may bear it. Yes Adam could have chose the tree of life that's why it was there, that's why God had to cast him from the garden and then guard it. Again that's scripture.Adam was not deceived he chose to follow his wife and willfully disobeyed God. that too is scripture this sin caused sin to enter into the world. This is also scripture.It is of utmost importance to realise that Adam chose freely to sin whether God intended this or not he chose to sin and he could have chose differently.The choice was his. Think about it the serpent tempted him just as he did Jesus Neither Adam or Jesus was deceived by the serpent.Only Jesus remained obedient to the will of God and Adam disobeyed only Eve was deceived by the serpent.I don't believe that God punishes man for making him a sinner,rather he punishes man for sinning through Adam.

Gregor:
Greetings Arcturus,
You said:
"Here is a Scripture that forms part of the response to Gergor regarding our emotions and our heart condition that begins as being spiritually weak by God's design and purpose."
I think that is very accurate.

Pss.111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Prov.9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Our Spiritual awakening begins when we recognize our condition and need for change, but progresses from service out of a fear (aka respect) to one out of sheer love. Unless we first "hate" evil, we will never learn to "love" good, and there is none good but the Father, which leads to producing the fruit of the spirit.

Peace
G.

Deborah-Leigh:
sonofone

The way of escape is through fire.

Gregor

You say : Our Spiritual awakening begins when we recognize our condition and need for change, but progresses from service out of a fear (aka respect) to one out of sheer love. Until we "hate" evil, we will never learn to "love" good, and there is none good but the Father.

for me our Spiritual blindness reverses into sight when His Spirit touches us and starts to heal us via repentance and forgiveness. The consequence of such is that yes, we start to see our condition and we begin to loath the sinfulness we see within ourselves. Then we see the beast within is us. Then we are able to recognise that we left our first love and then by Grace we begin produce the fruit of love.

I do not see evil first to be hated and love to be the consequence. I see Love as the CAUSE and the consequence is rejection of evil and separation from darkness.

Of course there is non good but the Father.

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

Gregor:
Greetings Sonofone,
Hebrews tells us that without faith it is impossible to please God. We are also told that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. If you look at the situation with Adam, he failed because he chose to heed the voice of his wife (no faith), rather than to heed the voice of God. Jesus, on the otherhand, in every temptation by satan in the wilderness, used the word of God, ("it is written"), as his defense and was victorious. I hope this will give you something to meditate on.
G.

sonofone:
It seems that the last exchange between Arcturus and Gregor were the exact same conclusion with exception to the relationship to evil. When we see ourselves or our beast within don't we hate it as opposed to love it? isn't this what makes us want to be changed? Paul said oh wretched man that I am. You need to have the balance you can't have one without the other. But you guys need a new post or try pm'ing each other. Gregor I saw your response to my post and don't know what to think of it? I see it understand it do not disagree with it but I fail to see how it changes anything that I have said?

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