> General Discussions
Only the elect are raised spiritual
Kat:
Ok no speculation, but here's a few statistics to think about. Most I got from from Wikipedia.
About 70.8% of the surface is covered by water, the remaining 29.2% not covered by water consists of mountains, deserts, plains, plateaus, and other geomorphologies.
It is estimated that only one eighth of the surface of the Earth is suitable for humans to live on — three-quarters is covered by oceans, and half of the land area is desert (14%), high mountains (27%), or other less suitable terrain.
Currently the total arable land is 13.31% of the land surface, with only 4.71% supporting permanent crops. Close to 40% of the Earth's land surface is presently used for cropland and pasture, or an estimated 1.3% of cropland and 3.4% of pastureland.
In September, 2007, the world's population had reached over 6.7 billion.
By the year 2011 it is expected to be 7 billion.
A 2003 estimate is that over 106 billion people have ever lived on earth.
-------------------------------------------------------------
The Lord will return and rule the nations.
Isa 34:1 Draw near, O nations, to hear; and listen, O peoples! Let the earth and all it contains hear, and the world and all that springs from it.
Isa 34:2 For the LORD'S indignation is against all the nations, And His wrath against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to slaughter.
Is this speaking of the new earth?
Isa 35:1 The wilderness and the desert shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice and blossom as the crocus.
Isa 35:2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing; the glory of Lebanon shall be given to it, the honor of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of Jehovah and the majesty of our God.
Just a few scripture to think about :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
skydreamers:
Hey Guys,
Just a thought...maybe God will somehow make all the other planets in the universe inhabitable and the elect will each get their own planet to "rule"....maybe that's what all those empty planets are for....waiting to be inhabited by all the people that have ever lived.....who knows....
Peace,
Diana
iris:
Just a few scriptures to consider.
Ezekiel 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
verse 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
verse 11 Then he said unto me, Son man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
verse 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them. Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
verse 13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
verse 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it and performed it, saith the Lord.
Psalm 104: 30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.
verse 31 The glory of the Lord shall endure for ever: the Lord shall rejoice in his works.
verse 32 He looketh on the earth, and it trembleth: he toucheth the hills, and they smoke.
verse 33 I will sing unto the Lord as long as I live: I will sing praise to my God while I have my being.
verse 34 My meditation of him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the Lord.
verse 35 Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more, Bless thou the Lord, O my soul. Praise ye the Lord.
It sounds like we will live here on the earth with a physical body and a spiritual mind. At least thats what it sounds like.
Peace and Love
Iris
jerreye:
--- Quote ---Ray, gives an opinion on this but he has said that the scripture is silent about this, so it is mostly conjecture and speculation on anyones part.
--- End quote ---
I agree with you Craig that all of this "raised in physical bodies" stuff is all conjecture. I personally don't believe it at all (this is just my present opinion which may or may not be altered in the future)...
However, Ray seems to be quite dogmatic on this as he did not state that this was his "opinion". His language certainly made it look quite dogmatic. I hope he backs this up some day soon with scripture, cause this statement of his actually bothered me quite a bit.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Word Student:
These discussions must be very much like those the Apostles had among themselves while pondering the words of Lord Messiah and trying to make sense of them.
Paul and Peter have written much on this topic. But in a way that is not readily apparent.
The "gems" and "sacred secrets" they have written about which shed light on this topic are hard to understand and in fact are totally incomprehensible when we attempt to rely on our own abilities. Thankfully, for our Father all things are possible and with the help of the "helper" we can obtain understanding.
But, only those who "work" are able to "eat" - and that is what is so frustrating for us today. We've been so conditioned and brainwashed by our modern society to desire "instant" answers and "right-now" pleasures that we tend to easily give up on the "work" of digging for our "food."
Lord Messiah has promised us that if we persist in looking and digging we will assuredly find what we are looking for. But not on our expectations or timetable.
These discussions are not fruitless even though they do not lead to immediate understanding. They are most excellent exercise for our hearts and minds as we try to remember what we've learned.
In all that has been said thus far I would tend to believe that IndianaBob has most accurately portrayed what Ray has revealed in his understanding.
However, remember what was said in the word about who has come from Heaven and who will go to heaven. Not all.
Think about why John the Baptist was not an apostle but fulfilled another prophetic function that has very much to do with us. And the earlier story of Job provides a glimpse.
Think about why there were so few apostles that were given to Lord Messiah by the Father, and why they were so "special."
Think about why both Paul and Peter and John spoke certain messages to only the "elect" or "chosen ones" and they and James provide some insight as to who they truly are.
Above all, do not lose hope - in time you'll "get it!"
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version