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Only the elect are raised spiritual
indianabob:
Good evening Word Student and welcome to the forum. :)
I don't recall reading your name before.
Have you read Bible Truths for several months?
I'm sure we all would like to get to know you better.
Please share as much as is comfortable for you.
I especially liked your comment about our needing to dig for spiritual food.
I often wonder how and when in our lives that this give and take with Jesus began. I imagine it was long before we realized the fact.
I understand that God provides the initial impetus for our interest and then we, with God's continual encouragement and prodding, seek more and more of His truth through the indwelling spirit of our Lord Jesus. What a marvelous challenge and opportunity we have been given.
Thank you for your message and please write often.
Bob
DuluthGA:
Hi!
I appreciate your post, especially
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R.I.G.H.T.O. B.I.G.T.I.M.E. :D [Only in HIS TIME ;)]
And WELCOME to the BT forum,
Janice
UncleBeau:
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Paul states this;
Romans 6:5 "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
We know those that are with Christ are the 'overcomers' those that are called, chosen and faithful to the end.
Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
So those raised in the likeness of Christ's resurrection are those that are with Him. How was Christ raised? A spiritual body. How do we know? well we know that He appeared in many different forms which would only be possible had He been a spiritual being ABLE TO take any form He pleases, even the one of His body that had been crucified.
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Romans 6:5 "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Notice this doesn't give a location. This tells how we shall be, correct?
How was He raised a spiritual body? I thought spirit couldn't be seen. I realize:
1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
When? Notice this:
John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
I may be on the wrong track, but as far as the resurrection of the dead, this says:
1 Corinthians 15:35-36
35) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36) Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
Either way, this doesn't seem to separate any people from all being resurrected differently at the resurrection. Actually, it proves that people MUST die in order to be resurrected. We know some are appointed to life when others are appointed to chastisement, but if they were resurrected in physical bodies, would they not need to be punished in physical fire like most Christian Doctrine suggests?
your friend,
-Beau
Chris R:
Hi Beau,
I'm sure of one thing, Christendom teaches these will be tortured forever and ever. And the scriptures teach us that Christ's Rule only lasts for an age [aion].
Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.[Cor 15-24]
This verse speaks nothing of a "eternal" chastisment, but rather a age which Christ rules.
What did Paul mean when he said "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"
Obviously "Sleep" is death. But what is changed, if we are raised back to a physical body, what changed?, Or does this verse speak only of those chosen?
I dunno.
Chris R
UncleBeau:
Hi Chris,
Um... I don't want to sound rude, but what you wrote has almost nothing to do with what I stated. Your reply is covered in a lot of Ray's papers. Besides, "eternal" has nothing to do with time anyway. If the chastisement itself is spiritual, then why would they need physical bodies? We have to remember 1 Cor. 2:13.
What I was referring to was that it was said(not sure by who at this point) that only the elect will be resurrected in spiritual bodies while everyone else will be resurrected in physical bodies. If there's scripture on at least that much, I'd most appreciate seeing it. Anyway, I hope there's no confusion.
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