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Is this judgeing?
rocky:
--- Quote from: Kat on October 06, 2007, 12:55:56 AM ---
These lying, two-faced, blaspheming hypocrites were not Jesus' "brothers."
Here are those who are Christ's "BROTHERS": "For whosoever shall DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER which is in heaven, the same IS MY BROTHER...." (Matt. 12:50). Contrarywise, "whosoever shall NOT do the will of My father is NOT my brother..." This is because "Ye [same scribes and Pharisees] are of YOUR FATHER [not Christ's FAther, but YOUR father] THE DEVIL" (John 8:44).
God be with you,
Ray
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yet we know that those two faced pharisees, with hardened hearts are:
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
I find it amazing, that if one can not "see" the gospel, rather than judge them, we actually should be thankful for them, because through their hardening came our mercy
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
weird
GODSown1:
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Deborah-Leigh:
On the subject of judging here from Ray.
Most Christians have a one-sided and often evil concept of judgment. They think of it primarily as a negative and horrible thing that wicked people must go through before being sentenced to some fabled fiery hellhole of torture and eternal damnation.
Judgment is not reserved exclusively for the wicked, nor is it a one-sided sentence of doom. There are many problems with the orthodox teaching of judgment. Much emphasis is placed on a few Scriptures taken out of the context of all of God’s counsel regarding judgment.
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Judgment has both a positive and a negative side. That is judgment itself contains both. The result of the two faces of judgment, however, I am happy to report, will not perpetuate the dual masks of comedy and tragedy for all eternity, but rather a "smiley face" for all.
http://bible-truths.com/lake2.html
For me, human judgment is beam in the eye fault finding. God's judgment brings to righteousness and "that smiley face for all "
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
insanezenmistress:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on October 05, 2007, 12:55:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: insanezenmistress on October 04, 2007, 01:12:21 PM --- ::)
YES it is judging. You are treating others as you may be treated. ( mathew, for with what judgment you render, it will be rendered against you)
No argument is more convincing of the wisdom and power of the spirit behind your new leanrings and understandings. For if you can only live these when you carry about the facts in your mind, you will tire quickly and end in confusion.
IZM
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IZM,
My big problem is, can i really say these people are my BROTHERS and SISTERS in Christ, when they preach a Christ who will eternal torture most of humanity in a terrorist hell hole of fire?..............Will you go off and defend against the Buddhist who DONT preach torture or even a Christ who Died for them? How is this not an act of pride and seeking to be correct? You are useing argument by outrage. A tactic.[/I]
That is a question, that i would love to have answered, because i don't know.
I certainly don't feel like they are, they preach ANOTHER Christ, that the scriptures know not...... WHo is my brother?
Is my brother only he who knows as i do?
Is my brother ANY of those who WILL KNOW as God does?
Who was the Good Samaritian's brother?
Clearly the beat up jewish man preached a Different gospel then him, they did not argue first then consider themselves brothers, before the Man took him to the inn. They did not even feel like brothers.[/I]
So in this thought, am i still judgeing in what i did?
God bless,
Alex
P.S. I woudl certainly NEVER treat a BROTHER or SISTER in Christ, with the same zeal that i did these people or ever tell them they 'despise the Word of God,' because this i know would not be true.
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I am sorry about the fact that i am posting in disagreement with you. But from your own defence about yourself, you seem to be conflicted, you ask because you already know your verdict. I am not intending to go to war with you.
Only see that you already are not sure about the actions. I can see the other person when right on the defencive, and without seeing your end of the conversation i cannot see where you where. But i can see you defence now.
You have alluded to "another gospel" i wanted to toss two verses your way to compare. Acts 20:24 , and Mark 4:23 .......
Who is our brother? Before Jesus chose me, i dispised the word. and he was my brother. May we be able to apply the same gentleness with those who (according to our gospel) will one day BE our brothers, in the knowledge of the Lord.
Who knows the Lord?
Those to whom the Lord reveals himself.
Did the Lord reveal himself to you so that you may have rightness and reproove your brother, or so that the Lord might reveal himself to your brother through your love? Perhaps both.
WELL I DONT KNOW..........personally i would rather be carefull in how i judge, let it be with mercy and undersanding because i crave that the Lord applyies mercy and undertanding to my sinnfull behind.
Much love.........may we have dissagreed in peace.....and may you be blessed in peace.
Justine[/I]
Deborah-Leigh:
Another insight into this topic.
Dear Robert:
Jesus DIED: "...for the ungodly" (Rom. 5:6); "...unto sin" (Rom. 6:10); "...for our sins" (I Cor. 5:3); "...for all" (II Cor. 5:15); "...for us" (I Thes. 5:10, but nowhere does it say He died for our judgment or for our forgiveness. Christ was judged for nothing. We are not "considered judged" as though it happened in the past at the cross and therefore has no more place in our life. Likewise, Jesus did not die for our "forgiveness."
Long after the crucifixion and cross of Jesus, Peter tells us that "Judgment begins [yet, still] at the house of God...." (I Pet. 4:17). We must yet, still REPENT of our sins and CONFESS them (I John 1:8-9). Christ's death on the cross did not and does not adjudicate as innocent, ALL ARE GUILTY SINNERS.
Jesus paid the penalty for all sin at the cross: He did not make all sinners SAINTS at the cross. Hence, we all need judging.
God be with you,
Ray http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2289.0.html
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