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skydreamers:
--- Quote ---The point being made here is NOT that adam's sin was far worse, the point is that Adam, willingly partook of the FRUIT OF DEATH, so that he would NOT be SEPERATED from Eve.
Likewise, Christ died for HUMANITY, so Humanity would NOT be seperated from Him.
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Alex, very nice post! I picked this part out because it really spoke to me. As you pointed out, Christ came out from the Father and Adam was created by Christ and Eve came out from Adam. And out from Eve comes the rest of humanity. Definitely a pattern. And in this pattern I see something powerful in that Eve was a living part of Adam. Something in Adam was taken to make Eve, so we could say that a piece is now outside of himself but still connected to him. But in the union of lovemaking the two become one flesh again. A husband must have his bride to be complete. I don't think Adam had any other choice but to die with Eve, at least not from his perspective. If she were to die without him a piece of himself would be forever lost. This must have been inconceivable to him, he would have been incomplete!
In this I see a loving and beautiful parallel in that Adam's necessity to be one with Eve is the same necessity that Christ has to be one with his bride. He must have us back or he would be forever incomplete. And that means each and every one of us. God the Father must view Jesus as a piece of Himself that He simply cannot exist without. And Jesus views all those he created as pieces of Himself that He simply cannot do without. It is inconceivable to Jesus that even one soul should be lost or separated from Him forever because He simply would not be complete!
Maybe God could have created entities that were somehow not a part of himself, but being Love and being a personal and intimate God he chose to birth out of himself....what was this like for God? Who knows, but I think we have a clue in the human birth. Whatever pain, toil, and struggle is involved in giving birth the joy of sharing life with a child you've had this intimate experience with surpasses any pain.
Interesting thread guys!
Peace and love,
Diana
sonofone:
I enjoyed your thread Alex,it is nice to see what God can do in the mind of anyone that submitts to him. Types and shadows are throughout the bible and this is a good illustration of that. I personally have a problem with the Adam dying with his wife as not to be separated from her. Not that I can't see the sense of it. Just the romantic part of it that suggest something noble about his decision to disobey God. Love should have caused him to lead her to the tree of life not the tree of death. But that's just me.Good post brother.
jER:
In Jesus, holiness and humanity become one…
…and [we] will come to be one with Him - amen!
-jER
Gregor:
Greetings all,
Great posts and thanks!
Perhaps the "rib" is a type of the Spirit too, (which may make Eve a shadow too?)
shadows (as in the law being a shadow of good things to come, Heb. 10:1)
The natural rib of man is there to give structure to the body, as well as to protect the inner organs/parts ie: the heart/lungs. The Spirit fulfills this function in the "spiritual body." It is this Spirit that we (Gentiles/carnal man) receive by faith in order to become children in the family of God. Now I'm getting into faith (a little off topic, but interconnected just like all the systems that make up a body). The just shall live by faith. (Gal.3 explains the promise is through faith, and that the promise came prior to the law, and that it is only promised to one seed - Jesus) Note vs.23-25: But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. This is why it is of utmost importance that we become "one" with Jesus, through faith, by his Spirit.
I tend to agree with sonofone in that I don't like the romanticizing of disobedience. Perhaps there is a further explanation, in that there is a connection between heart and mind. I read in Gen.3:11,12 that God doesn't ask "Why did you eat," he asks "Who told you that you're naked? Have you eaten..." and Adam truthfully replies. So he doesn't even blame Eve, he answers the questions. I think the more accurate explanation of why he ate would involve legalities, not just emotions:
Heb.9:16,17: For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood.
This is why Christ had to die, to bring the "will" of the Father into effect. And we know that God loves mercy over judgement, but must Himself remain true to his word and be righteous.
All in all, I've really enjoyed everyone's input and hope we can all continue to grow.
All the best in Christ,
G.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: sonofone on October 03, 2007, 07:18:59 PM ---I enjoyed your thread Alex,it is nice to see what God can do in the mind of anyone that submitts to him. Types and shadows are throughout the bible and this is a good illustration of that. I personally have a problem with the Adam dying with his wife as not to be separated from her. Not that I can't see the sense of it. Just the romantic part of it that suggest something noble about his decision to disobey God. Love should have caused him to lead her to the tree of life not the tree of death. But that's just me.Good post brother.
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I'm sorry but i disagree.
Adam does not represent Jesus in anyway in how he disobeyed God. Adam is merely a shadow or type of Christ. He ISN'T Christ Himself. There is a difference.
Adam as a shadow and type can represent Christ in one way, but not be Christ in another. Understand?
Obviously He doesn't represent Christ in disobeying God.
Much like how David represents the elect in a way, but not when he says 'Kill all my enemies and make it bloody.' That is most definatly not what God would say through His elect, nor the thoughts and desires they hold inside them.
Theres a difference between being a shadow, and being the actual object. I think you are not able to see that. Thats very important when it comes to distinguishing these types and shadows.
So i'm not saying adam is Christ, God forbid, what i am saying though is adam was a shadow and type of Christ in certain ways.
Colossians 2:16-18 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body[casting the shadow] is of Christ.
Hope this helps ya.
God bless,
Alex
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