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Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Rocky
Being READY (Caps to emphasise only not meaning I am shouting :) ) means for me, living AS THOUGH Jesus were about to return. Like keeping the house in order. For others who think or who are living as if tomorrow never comes, He comes to those as a thief in the night. This scripture comes to mind
Luke 21 : 36 Keep awake then and watch at all times, be discreet, attentive, and ready, praying that you may have the full strength and ability and be accounted worthy to escape all these things that will take place, and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man.
I liked what you concluded in the thread you posted. Here it is again : Jesus physically died on the cross, but the cross is spiritual, worked out in us.
We are all a work in progress, except for me.... ;D ... a computer who can not compute information that has not already been programed into me. ;D according to sonofone. :)
sonofone I hear you and agree that if you try to rebuff my comments it would become a religious debate. That would not help anyone. Ray says that if anyone can come up with two scriptures that show what he has written is in error then he is willing to receive comment. Emotional consequences for hearing the truth bring either a sense of having been cut to the heart or resentment. I am glad you can laugh about this and move on. I have not meant to offend you but I do take much thought and time to consider the words posters use to convey what they see. In fact there is more to what you have written that I prepared to send to you and it included some points raised by Joe. That response got deleted though as I pushed what I thought to be the send button! LOL ;D :D It would have been the first response you got. I was happy to see Gregor's sensitivity in his response. I am more clinical in my approach. This does hurt some but it really is not meant to and I take no joy in it when it does.
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
sonofone:
Arcturus as I said in my post I meant you no disrespect. I did say that I thought about you like or being a computer that could not compute any information that was not already programmed into it.This was not to say that I was calling you such. I really did laugh when I read your response to my post,because I understood clearly that we are coming or operating from two entirely different constructs. It would be foolish of me to try to separate you from what you firmly believe. As for Gregor, I did not find myself in disagreement with what he posted,in fact I conceded that what he said could be true without my thoughts being untrue.The difference I suppose is in the spirit in which a person post.I try to post questions and seek feedback,not that I am opposed to offering my opinions as well. I have learned from previous post when to say uncle,for peace sake.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: rocky on October 15, 2007, 07:33:15 PM ---
I personally don't agree that the apostles didn't believe that Christ was coming soon, very soon.
--- End quote ---
Hi Rocky,
There is a difference between hope and belief, if they believed with any degree of certainty then why did Peter concern himself to what the status of John (and himself) would be at Christ's return?
Isn't the Spirit of Christ the Farmer planting, nurturing His seed at this time? That is not the same as Him harvesting the firstfruits at the resurrection. In Matthew 24 Jesus speaks of "the end" but is He speaking of the resurrection or is He speaking of "the end" of our worldly, ignorant lives as His seed takes root and we begin to endure the (spiritual) trials and tribulations that have come to every believer throughout the generations.
I think it is safe to assume that most every believer through every generation Has had hope for His imminent return, and in a sense they are right in that He comes to each of His own to begin the purging and refining process that transforms us into Sons and Daughters of God. But the culmination and manifestation does not conclude until the (harvest) resurrection.
The Words they wrote were not their own but the Words of Christ and we all know that without the spiritual discernment that only comes from Him that these Words in Spirit can and does cause a "strong delusion" to those not yet given eyes to see what is really being said. I think that there is, was, and will be confusion over the return of Christ as the Comforter and the return of Christ the Harvester.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
From the "12 Truths" paper;
TRUTH NUMBER 5
[A] "It is the spirit that quickens [gives life]; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are life" (John 6:63).
"But this spoke He of the SPIRIT…" (John 7:39).
[C] "And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the SPIRIT which IS the word of God" ( Eph. 6:17).
Everything from Genesis to Revelation pertains to a higher SPIRITUAL meaning than the physical examples, parables, metaphors, allegories, stories and symbols in which they are written. "Let us make man in Our Image" (Gen. 1:26) are words of SPIRIT: "…Surely I come quickly…" (Rev. 22:20) are words of SPIRIT.
http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm
Peace,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
Quote from Joe
--- Quote ---I think that there is, was, and will be confusion over the return of Christ as the Comforter and the return of Christ the Harvester.
--- End quote ---
This is a clear and vividly true perspective. To build on I believe also that there is was and will be blindness over judgment now and judgment at the White Throne.
Quoting Ray as he teaches in LOF part 3 : Before God brings a final judgment on the entirety of the world, He must first perform another judgment on another group of people. This judgment is going on right now. The world is totally unaware of this judgment, although it has been going on for two thousand years.http://bible-truths.com/lake3.html
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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