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rocky:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on October 23, 2007, 03:13:37 PM ---
I see this as being that the sin is not removed unless the Spirit is conceived and born again through stage 1,2 and 3 and finally upon resurrection at point 4. for those so chosen. In this process we come to experience and know to distinguish between good and evil. Gen 3 : 22
Arcturus :)
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Hi Arcturus,
Can you explain a little bit what you mean by "come to experience and know to distinguish between good and evil"??
do you see knowledge that comes from eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil as the same as "experiencing and distinguishing" between good and evil??
thanks
Robin:
Here is a comment from Ray in today's email reply.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5691.0.html
COMMENT: No, all will be saved regardless of what they "have DONE," not according to what they are "still DOING." Sin must ultimately be repented of and taken out of the sinner through Judgment.
Gregor:
Greetings,
--- Quote from: YellowStone on October 23, 2007, 02:32:41 PM ---My question to anyone reading this, is: Do you consider yourself the same person still, after having your eyes, ears and hearts opened by the Spirit.
In some sense, I would hope all here have been born again (made anew) in the Spirit.
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I really feel schitzophrenic these days. I think I feel like Paul when he says in Rom.7:
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
I don't even know if I can say that "with the mind I myself serve the law of God" All I can say/pray is that this is just part of the process of coming to being "born again in spirit". What I do find interesting is that in vs. 21 Paul says something amazing: " with me, the one who wills to do good." This is in contrast to Romans 3:11-13 (New King James Version)
11 There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”[a]
13 “ Their throat is an open tomb; With their tongues they have practiced deceit”; “ The poison of asps is under their lips”;
Footnotes:
[a] Psalms 14:1–3; 53:1–3; Ecclesiastes 7:20
Paul is stating that now, in his spirit, he is different, even though the battle rages on. In this I realize that I'm probably on the right track and just need to continue continuing on. It ain't over till this present age is over.
G.
YellowStone:
Hi Gregor,
How can one not feel the frustration that surely Paul felt when he penned those words.
Rom.7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom.7:15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
I like the way you presented process of being "born again in the Spirit" I consider my former life as a formless lump of clay. Oh sure I think God pinched a bit here and pressed a bit there, sometimes I think he picked it up and dropped it. Somestimes I was dry and other times way to wet, but over the past 17 years I have felt God's loving hands on me, and he is molding something beautiful. I have know idea what and as a dear brother said to me, never marvel the fine china tea cup at the expense of the saucer, which is entrusted to keep the tea off the snow white linen.
This has been a great thread and I thank you all for spiritual fruits shown.
Love in Christ,
Darren
YellowStone:
--- Quote from: GODSown1 on October 23, 2007, 06:51:18 PM ---Praise! GOD Darren,
Amen! brother, wot U hav said & hav xsplained Very well az 2 da 'T' ;D ;) is so Awesum!!, & it really Opened my eyes & ears. Thank YOU FATHER, & Thank U brother 4 bein dis GOD given Vessel, if I may say, I understood d@ Wholeheartedly!!, GODBLESS!!.
Darren asks: My question to anyone reading this, is: Do you consider yourself the same person still, after having your eyes, ears and hearts opened by the Spirit.
In some sense, I would hope all here have been born again (made anew) in the Spirit.
Wow!! I believe I can Honestly! answer YES!!! I have so changed! (made anew!) Bigtime! :), Considering da 39 years of my Life b4 my eyes & ears being Opened 2 Y im on dis GOD Created Earth, (Believe me, wot a turn around) I am now 42yrs old, & believe me az most of da pple of my Past dont or more really cant ;D, "I so LOVE THE LORD our GOD!", Thanks again brother..
I jus wanna give Thanks 2 U 2 Arcturus 4 dis Thread, coz thru all d@ had been said & answered, bort an Awesum! Revelation 2 me!..
Amen..
muchLOVE!! Pera
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You are more than welcome Pera. I too have changed, sometimes I cannot believe how much I used to worry about things, of how much I used to miss or simply did not have time for. The coming of the Spirit it ones life by the grace of God, is the dawning of a new life, well it certainly was for me.
May God continue to bless you and yours,
Love,
Darren
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