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Calvanists say this, Help?
Grateful:
GOD IS LOVE. If His Love has a boundary SOMEwhere, then it is NOT LOVE....for He is BOUNDLESS.....He is ALL that there IS!!
Sorin:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on February 09, 2008, 02:31:20 PM ---PS What can anyone learn by listening to two blind men debate re: as Alex notes quote "...a Calvanist debate a christian..." over what they can "see" ;D ;)
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LOL!
psalmsinger:
I "love" I John Chapter 4 but maybe it's because I cherish the truth of the scriptures:) It doesn't matter whether we love God, because even in it's best state our love for anything is incomplete and weak. What does matter is that He loves all people, even sinners.
I Jn 4:10
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: "
You're right, it is funny for a calvinist and a christian to debate one another. Who could possibly be declared the winner?
Rest in the Lord,
Barbara
musicman:
Such a debate would be likened to two blind men arguing over the proper way of driving a car. Go this way, no that way, go faster. . . . They wouldn't even realize that they're driving over a cliff.
dewey:
Dear Alex,
Read your post on "Calvanists say this, Help?" You say you understand, yet you have a problem? You want to know if there is actually scripture that proves God loves us just the way we are/sinful, cardinal humans? I read all the posts that the brothers and sisters replied to you about. I did not see what I am about to say or the scriptures that I found on your subject. Please understand that these scriptures can mean a magnitude of spiritual meanings as they are parables. (parables explained - a short, fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principal). And here we go. My best shot at fulfilling your request for answers/scriptures.
God proclaimed his love for all human beings and countries (John 3:16). Going so far as to promise that one day all nations will be blessed (Genesis 26:4) [but it has not happened yet]. His love and his compassion extends so far that he promises to do away with all pain, sorrow and death (Revelations 21:4) [but not yet].
However, this same God who explains that he is love (1John 4:8-13) also announces that he will bring his ferocious rath upon those who disobey him (Nahum 1:2) he will be no means clear the guilty (Exodus 34:7) and will bring destruction on the wicked (Psalms 37:20). When people sin, they break God's law (1John 3:4-5). There are no sin free people in this day and age; or maybe I should say as far as I know. I've seen no one walk on water. A continuation of 1John 3:4-5 - they earn the wages of sin "death" . That is not saying eternal torture in Hell; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (Romans 6:23). Here in the Greek interpretations for death means just that. Not separated from God as some ministers and theologians would have you believe. Mankind is already cut off from God here in this lifetime. And here's the proof. But your iniquities/lawlessness have separated between you and your God and your sins have hid his face from you that he will not hear (Isaiah 59:2).
Brother Alex, the last time that I replied to one of your posts, you came back with a response asking if I had copied what you had posted or if it was my own. At that time, you informed me that your post and my post were the same; the only difference was that you had backed yours up with scientific proof. You were under the impression that I had copied your post. To this I have to say, imitation is the greatest form of flattery. Love you, my brother
In the name of Jesus Christ, Dewey and Paula love all people
Dewey said it
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