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Hank Hanegraaff says theres a 'hell'...
SOTW:
Hank Hannagraf has been tossed to and fro with the waves of doctrine. I have now seen (since I used to be a daily listener to his show) him say that Hell is eternal torment to Jesus completed it all, all mankind are saved back to Hell does not exist and now back to Hell is eternal torment. Since he lacks consistancy in his own beliefs, it is hard to call him the Bible Answer Man for this reason alone.
If Justice is what Hank is asking for, he should deal with God over it. The World has been reconciled in Christ Jesus, not counting the world's sins against them. Pretty hard to punish any further for the Hitlers, Stalin's, Nero's etc. of the world, when their sins are not counted against them.
My two cents.
Mickyd:
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If Justice is what Hank is asking for, he should deal with God over it. The World has been reconciled in Christ Jesus, not counting the world's sins against them. Pretty hard to punish any further for the Hitlers, Stalin's, Nero's etc. of the world, when their sins are not counted against them.
My two cents.
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You know all the Hitlers, Stalin's, Nero's etc. of the world would never had been in leadership positions if God had not put them there for a purpose. It's funny that he's supposed to be the Bible answer man and not know this.
Hell is something that come out of the evil imagination of men. Leave judgement in the hands of God.
Sorin:
Bobby,
We are not trying to change anybody, but rather Exposing Those who contradict. Titus 1:9
SteveB, didn't start this for Hank's benefit, but for ours.
God Bless,
Sorin
Sorin:
Bobby, You did not offend me at all. I was just saying. since Hank does not visit this forum, then there's no way it can be for his benefit. If people email him and try to explain to him, and God gives him eyes to see, then that would definitely be for his benefit.
God Bless,
Sorin
hillsbororiver:
My original question was "why do we care what this guy (hellfire Hank) thinks?" It is not intended as a condemnation of SteveB at all! I know I am not alone in learning much from many of Steve's posts, and I consider him a Brother in Christ, very thankful for his fellowship in the Forum.
My point was, (and I probably did a good job in screwing it up) is that debating, refuting and challenging other peoples belief system is not always an edifying experience for everyone or even anyone involved. It has been my experience (and Bobby relayed this same feeling) that when we seek to confront heresy we can sometimes do it in a carnal fashion, more so in the vain glory of being "right" rather than sharing spiritual wisdom. It is especially dangerous for the newer folks who have discovered this wonderful treasure which is His Word, yes, we should defend the faith when the situation presents itself but when we are not ready, when we should rather be studying and seeking the fruits of the spirit we can become bogged down and disenchanted by these contests or a lack of discernment in choosing our battles;
Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Any comments on this admonishment from our Lord?
Ray, Mike and others have spent many years in the study of His Word and have a lot of life experience dealing with the heretic principles that we as individuals and as a group have rejected. Most of us are well aquainted with the damnable hell lie and so many other church heresies. Are we better served to regurgitate this stuff over and over or to seek to grow past this into the Lord and allow His spirit to bear fruit in our lives? The apostles spent 3 1/2 years with Jesus during His Ministry on the earth but they were still unprepared and unconverted until well after His crucifiction, does that tell us anything about the time it takes to mature in spirit?
We all have different gifts and different callings I can not say what anyone should be doing if they sincerely feel the call of God, but one thing we can be sure of is what we are all called to do;
1Jo 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Is that even possible if we have not matured in spirit?
1Co 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity26 edifieth.
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity26 I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity26, I am nothing.
1Co 13:4 Charity26 suffereth long, and is kind; charity26 envieth not; charity26 vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:8 Charity26 never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
Col 3:14 And above all these things put on charity,26 which is the bond of perfectness.5047
1Pe 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity26 among yourselves: for charity26 shall cover the multitude of sins.
G26
ἀγάπη
agapē
ag-ah'-pay
From G25; love, that is, affection or benevolence; specifically (plural) a love feast: - (feast of) charity ([-ably]), dear, love.
G5047
τελειότης
teleiotēs
tel-i-ot'-ace
From G5046; (the state) completeness (mentally or morally): - perfection (-ness).
I believe growing (in spirit) to the point of having pure charity/love for our brothers and sisters and especially our enemies is the highest calling, again I hope this is taken as food for thought and not as a condemnation of anyone. Thank you all for your comments.
Joe
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