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The Holy Spirit, (HIMSELF)
winner08:
Yes M.G. That's alot of spirits. Since Jesus Christ had to wait untill He returned to His Father before He could send the Holy Spirit back to his diciples I figure Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are one in the same. I could be wrong.
Darren
Robin:
This is what Ray said.
"JESUS CHRIST BY MEANS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD WHICH HIS FATHER GAVE TO HIM IS THE COMFORTER"
I think these verses fit with this.
John 17:20-22
20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:
Ray said somewhere that the Father and Jesus are one because they both share the Father's spirit which I assumed was the holy spirit, but I'm not sure. I put it together that Jesus came as the comforter by means of that shared Holy Spirit. If we have that holy spirit within us then we have a deposit and not the fullness of the spirit yet.
2 Corinthians 5:4-6
4For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
6Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.
That's how I pieced it together and it might be wrong.
jerreye:
The "spirit" to me is simply like electric energy. The Father IS Spirit and He uses that very spirit to give physical life to us, the animals, etc etc. It's the same spirit (power) that impregnated Mary with Jesus. It isn't that there are "many spirits" (i.e. - many BEINGS at work), but rather one universal spirit that has countless functions, such as giving life, light, knowledge, power and understanding. The Father gave His spirit (power) to His Son, His angels and us. That spirit can do ANYTHING. He gives us a portion of that spirit in this life. He will give us the fullness of that spirit in the resurrection. That's how I see it.
Sorry for rambling :)
Stevernator:
Hey Jerreye,
That makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for sharing that.
Kat:
This is from the trasnscript 'WHO AND WHAT IS JESUS? & WHO IS HIS FATHER?'
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html ----
Eph 1:3 “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ…”
Phi 1:2 “Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
Gal 1:3 “Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ,”
There is no Holy Spirit. Not that the Holy Spirit is nothing or of no consequence, it’s just not a person.
Jesus Christ and God the Father ARE the Holy Spirit! Jesus Christ is that Spirit!
John 16:7 “… I will send him(the Comforter) to you.” v. 15 “… He shall take of Mine, and shall show it unto you.”
What is He going to take of Christ? His Spirit. Where did Christ get that Spirit? From God the Father. But He is going to take of Christ, because it’s going to be the personality of Christ, see. Paul didn’t say, I’m crucified with God, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but the FATHER lives in me. No, it’s, “I have been crucified with CHRIST, nevertheless I live; yet not I, but CHRIST lives in me.” (Gal 2:20)
But see it’s the personality of Christ, that is the spirit that lives in us. And that spirit comes from God. So we can call it God’s Holy Spirit, even though it’s channeled through Christ. Jehovah /Elohim, God the Father(Elohim), you know.
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Jesus Christ IS THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!
He is THE GOD OF THE BIBLE!
Jesus Christ is the ONLY REVELATION OF GOD THAT WE HAVE.
Even the Holy Spirit we all have comes from God THROUGH Jesus Christ.
Jesus is that Comforter, that Spirit.
Our Saviour and our Brother.
The Son of God.
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I too am putting together these the little bit and pieces, trying to wrap my mind around the idea of what the Spirit is all about :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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