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Lightseeker:
lilitalienboi16
--- Quote ---P.S. I am confused lightseeker, Jesus obeyed God in the garden? Perhaps i missed this, honostly asking for an explanation. Thank you
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You're absolutely right, Jesus obeyed in the Garden by laying down His will and obeying the Father's will (Luke 22:42). To me that's the perfect definition of what "Free will" means personally. It's laying my life down to take up 'aonios' life which will allow me to overcome the last enemy which is death physically in this age (1Co 15:26).
Worm,
--- Quote ---what I've learnt recently is that the "overcomers" (elect, chosen) are those who love unconditionally (agape love) and those who forgive unconditionally, even when they crucify you...
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Loved your imput. Our Lord came to bring grace and truth. Truth without love is too hard and love without truth is too soft. To speak the truth in love takes balance and maturity.
Laren,
--- Quote ---Learning obedienced by the things we suffer is good. But why suffer? Paul continuously stressed that his suffering, his daily death was for a very important reason, and that was the salvation of others. It was not about him, but about others. He suffered for others salvation. That is love.
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While all you say above is true...it's not the whole truth. Paul suffered also that he might win Christ and overcome physical death...which he failed to due by going back to the law (Acts 21:20-23).
PHI 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. 12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended:
How interesting that Paul is still suffering and trying to win Christ in verse 8. And what comes with that winning? According to verse 10 it was so he might know the ressurection. And he isn't talking about the resurrection where all the graves will be opened in the future as in verse 11. The Greek word for resurrection in verse 10, is different than verse 11. Paul was hoping and striving to overcome the last enemy, of physical death, in this life.
Question: What is the difference between immortality and eternal life?
ROM 2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal/aonios life;
Compare what I've just posted with your scriptures in 2Co 4:10-12.
Laren:
Amen Ertsky, the sum of his word is truth. Love never compromises Godliness.
It seems to me that your mission at this time in your walk is to expose false doctrine, and that is good; but I hope in so doing you don't throw every babe in Christ over to satan for their destruction. Babes must grow into maturity, and if God has chosen that babe to move on, then your and mine daily death, our suffering is for their salvation. The gospel is simple, God has conciled the world to him, now be conciled to him. Paul died daily for this, he suffered immensely, and his desire was to preach this to the point of death. Anguish, crying, was his heart for fellow believers. He desperately wanted them to move onto maturity. For me, i have realized lately that my suffering was and is too self centered, thanking God for it for my salvation, rather than the salvation of others. Laying down my life for others, now to me that is the Gospel, and that is Love. I'm sure not saying it involves compromising godliness, and doesn't involve rebuke. But it also involves comforting, praying, sharing in blessings and trials. taking each others burdens on together.
lilitalienboi16:
Lightseeker, you saying Christ obeyed His Father in the Garden seems like alot of your own doctrin. Unless you show me scripture instead of tell me what you think, then all that is is another doctrin of man. Just like your free will belief. Gods words are alot more powerfull then man. Does anyone else know about this "Christ obeyed His father in the garden by laying down His life" reasoning of thinking? Does it have any scriptural support?
P.S. There is no scripture that supports free will. (Holding on to the traditions and doctrin of men)
ertsky:
--- Quote ---Paul suffered also that he might win Christ and overcome physical death...which he failed to due by going back to the law (Acts 21:20-23).
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LIGHTSEEKER!! :shock:
what kind of carnal pseudo spiritual crack are you smoking??
i'd like to refute that rubbish you typed but i'm still in shock that anyone could be that blind!!!
next you'll be quoting the serpent and saying "you shall not surely die"
sometimes i just have to marvel at the foolishness of those professing wisdom :roll:
can someone else please refute Lightseeker i'm too overwhelmed by the depth of cluelessness in that quote :shock:
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ertsky:
--- Quote ---How interesting that Paul is still suffering and trying to win Christ in verse 8. And what comes with that winning? According to verse 10 it was so he might know the ressurection. And he isn't talking about the resurrection where all the graves will be opened in the future as in verse 11. The Greek word for resurrection in verse 10, is different than verse 11. Paul was hoping and striving to overcome the last enemy, of physical death, in this life.
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lightseeker
first resurrection, second death please look them up
and as for your other quote
--- Quote ---Paul suffered also that he might win Christ and overcome physical death...which he failed to due by going back to the law (Acts 21:20-23).
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how you put those acts 21 verses in there i'll probably never understand
if Paul ever went back under the law i'll circumcise myself with a blunt rock
read it lightseeker, just one of many many many passages that contradict the impossible to describe wrongness of your post
Gal 5:11 But I, brothers, if I proclaim circumcision, why am I still persecuted? Then the offense of the Cross has passed away.
Gal 5:12 O that the ones causing you to doubt will sever themselves.
Gal 5:13 For, brothers, you were called to freedom. Only do not use the freedom for an opening to the flesh. But through love serve one another.
Gal 5:14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
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