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Hell, Satan's Heaven?
Paul:
--- Quote from: EKnight on June 25, 2008, 01:35:06 PM ---I was reading on some site this guy who was trying to defunct Ray's teaching of aions and aionios etc etc, and how eternal is in the bible yada yada yada. And I thought to myself, why would anyone want to go out of their way to prove that eternal is in the bible just to defend the doctrine of eternal punishment (this person didn't necessarily agree with the "burning torture eternally" doctrine. Nonetheless, the teaching is NOT GOOD NEWS so why would you want to perpetuate it???
Eileen
--- End quote ---
Just before I came across a comment on YouTube where someone expressed this sentiment, but in fewer words:
Why would Christians WANT eternal punishment in the Bible?
******* weird and stupid
Such a simple truth :)
musicman:
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He said the F word!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm tellin!!!!
hillsbororiver:
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men and he will dwell with them and they shall be his people and God himself shall be with them and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
How does one fit these verses into an eternal hell, it does not say some men, some tears, some sorrow, some crying, some pain but a very definitive "shall be no more" period.
Praise God!
Isn't it amazing that once our eyes are opened to this and we see the real Light how very obvious it is? But at one time we all were blind to it to some degree or another, without His grace, without His Spirit we would also be stumbling about and parroting this doctrine of devils. All glory goes to God!
Peace
Joe
hillsbororiver:
We are fortunate and blessed to know that the Christian hell, Satan's supposed kingdom does not really exist at all. But we know Satan is real and he has a kingdom, the true location of his kingdom is the last place our brothers and sisters who are still in Babylon would ever even look for it. How perfect is that for an effective deception?
THE THRONE OF SATAN THE DEVIL ALSO LOCATED
Now then, as the false apostles, and lying Jews, and synagogue of Satan are all located in the Church, where do you suppose we would find Satan’s throne, and Satan’s dwelling place to be located? Yes, that’s right: In the Church. Here is the Scriptural proof found in the messages to the church at Smyrna and Pergamos:
"Fear none of those things which you shall suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison…" (Rev. 2:10).
"I know your works and where you dwell, even where [the same place where] Satan’s seat [Greek: throne] is… were Satan [also] dwells" (Rev. 2:13).
Satan cannot imprison members of the Church unless Satan is in the Church. His throne is in the Church. His dwelling place is in the Church.. His synagogue is in the Church.
And think not that Satan merely makes an occasional visit to the Church. No, Satan is permanently in the Church until God removes him. The Greek word from which the translators give us "dwelleth" in the KJV is kataoideo, and it’s meaning is: "To house permanently" (Strong’s Greek Dictionary, page 136). Satan not only has his false apostles in the Church, and his congregation of unconverted lying Jews in the Church, and his synagogue in the Church, and his very throne in the Church, but Satan himself dwells permanently in the Church.
WHERE IS PERGAMOS TODAY?
Why would God choose the church of Pergamos/Pergamum as a physical type of the spiritual city where Satan really dwells and has his throne? We read this historical account of Pergamum:
"Pergamum, founded no later than 399 BC, became the capital city of the Roman province in Asia giving the traveler the impression of a royal city, the home of authority. Located about 60 miles north of Smyrna and 15 miles from the Aegean Sea, Pergamum was a center of learning, medicine, and religious books. The library, rivaling the Alexandrian library, drew many princes, priests, and scholars. Noted for marble carving, it excelled the other six cities in architectural beauty."
A royal city of authority with maybe the greatest library in the world. A city of learning, medicine, and religion. More excellent than all of the other Six Church Cities. Clearly, this city had all of the physical attributes that would make it suitable for the throne and dwelling place of Satan.
But remember: Revelation is a signified book of symbols that stand for spiritual things. The physical city of Pergamus was only a symbolic representation of something higher, something more profound, something of grand proportions. Satan does not reside or dwell or have his throne and his synagogue in West Asia in a demolished old city name Pergamus? Pergamus mean fortified. It comes from the word purgos (Strong’s #4444, which means "burgh; a tower or castle" page 219). Satan dwells (permanently resides) in the Church. But Satan dwells in a city that is, was, and will be. We will later identify this city described in Rev. 2:13.
This then brings us to Satan’s final and grandest achievement in The Church—the very "DEPTH of Satan." Something more evil and vile than anything ever conceived of by man or demon! But not to worry—for if you have been chosen to understand these things, then you will,
"Come OUT of her My people…" and "He that overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be My SON" (Rev. 18:4, & 21:7).
http://bible-truths.com/lake10.html
His Peace to you,
Joe
KristaD:
You know I never looked at it that way. Why would God give satan such pleasure for all eternity??? That makes no sense at all. I always knew that the heaven and hell one shot at life concept seemed totally unfair and just plain ridiculous for an all knowing God but I never saw that simple aspect of it. Thank you for sharing that Joe, a truly inspired thought and I will be using that one ;).
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