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"Specially"
Dave in Tenn:
This was certainly the verse (statement) that convinced me, with Ray's exposition.
It's helpful to me to remember that THIS was what the Apostle's taught and what the earliest church believed. Knowing that, it makes perfect sense that other mentions of the subject simply assumed that ALL meant ALL--there was no speedbump of an 'eternal Hell' doctrine which we, looking back, have to navigate.
Paul:
--- Quote from: Chris R on July 07, 2008, 06:04:49 PM ---1Tim 4:10 is not the best verse in the bible for "universalism," It is ONE of many verses that describe the salvation of all.
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1 Timothy 4:10 is the number 1 verse for universal salvation. It's the only verse that makes it clear that all literally means everyone. And Ray agrees with me. That's why he wrote that whole article about it Kat posted above.
--- Quote from: Chris R on July 07, 2008, 06:04:49 PM ---Whatever you think "specially" [mä'-lē-stä] (strongs 3122) means, it NEVER mean EXCLUSIVLEY!
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Forget malista for a second. The English word specially can most definitely carry exclusivity with it. If something is specially made for me... Don't you see? It can indirectly mean exclusivity. However, the way the word specially is used in 1 Timothy 4:10 and Titus 1:10 is obsolete. When do you see a comma specially in modern English. It's being used as a synonym for especially (and, of course, especially doesn't mean exclusively)
rjsurfs:
Paul,
1 Tim 4:10 is by no means the only verse that makes it clear that the Potter will save all of his pots... once your eyes are opened you will see it all throughout all of the scriptures. I promise you... once your eyes are open you see this as a common thread throughout... it is everywhere, everywhere. I am amazed daily that no matter where I am in the Bible I find this message of the good news.
When you insist on arguing with some of the key teachings of bible-truths however it feels as if you are only trying to sow discord... that you are attempting to cause division among the members of this body.
This is part of our core... and we come here in agreement with what Ray is sharing with us... not to argue or debate it. The forum rules state that if you strongly disagree to email Ray directly... this is not the place to argue. There are hundreds if not thousands of other forums on the internet to debate scriptural topics... this is not one of them. If you do not agree with us then simply shake the dust from your sandals and move on.
Bobby
Craig:
--- Quote ---If something is specially made for me... Don't you see? It can indirectly mean exclusivity.
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Yes Paul, you are correct I see where you can see exclusivity in your statement.
If I say, "I make suits specially for Paul" that can mean exclusivity. But of course if I say, "I make suits for all men but specially for Paul" then that is not exclusive. I'm glad you see the difference.
--- Quote ---Because the way the word is used in 1 Timothy 4:10 and Titus 1:10 is obsolete (a flat-out synonym for especially), the best verse for Universalism in the Bible doesn't make sense. On the contrary, one could interpret it to mean "exclusively of those who believe."
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No I see no way that verse can ever be interpreted exclusively.
Craig
Chris R:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5605.0.html
Read the above transcription from Ray's Audio does all mean all, it will help with your study.
Peace
Chris R
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