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"Specially"
Sozo:
Please allow me to interject with some thoughts. These thoughts are my observations of this thread so if I am wrong, someone please correct me.
What exactly are we doing in this thread....dialogue or debate?
Dialogue is collaborative; cooperative; multiple sides work toward a shared understanding. In dialogue, one submits one's best thinking, expecting that other people's reflections will help improve it rather than threaten it. Dialogue assumes that many people have pieces of answers and that cooperation can lead to a greater understanding. Dialogue is mutual inquiry; collective knowledge.
Debate is competitive and/or oppositional; two (or more) opposing sides try to prove each other wrong. In debate, one listens to find flaws, to spot differences, and to counter arguments. Debate defends assumptions as truth. Debate creates an close-minded attitude, a determination to be right.
It is my observation that this thread has become a debate. Whether my observation is correct or not...maybe you guys can let me know. It has been clearly shown through the usage of the word "maliste", that it would be impossible to interpret this word as "exclusively". It has been clearly shown that Paul knows the difference in how this word is used in the comment made by Craig:
--- Quote from: Craig on July 08, 2008, 05:20:46 AM ---
--- Quote ---If something is specially made for me... Don't you see? It can indirectly mean exclusivity.
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Yes Paul, you are correct I see where you can see exclusivity in your statement.
If I say, "I make suits specially for Paul" that can mean exclusivity. But of course if I say, "I make suits for all men but specially for Paul" then that is not exclusive. I'm glad you see the difference.
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Now Paul, if you honestly still believe that 1 Tim 4:10 can mean exclusively, then can you please show us how this is possible using scripture. Several people have posted all the scriptures that contain the word "maliste" translated as specially, especially, chiefly, etc. So can you please show us how these scriptures can possibly mean "exclusively".
These forums are for like-minded believers to grow in Spirit and in Truth. If we go from dialogue to debate, we aren't growing. We are only arguing.
It seems to me that a snake has slithered in and is trying to sow discord. However, this again, is only my observation.
Paul:
--- Quote from: Sozo on July 09, 2008, 09:08:32 AM ---Now Paul, if you honestly still believe that 1 Tim 4:10 can mean exclusively, then can you please show us how this is possible using scripture. Several people have posted all the scriptures that contain the word "maliste" translated as specially, especially, chiefly, etc. So can you please show us how these scriptures can possibly mean "exclusively".
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I never said it could mean exclusively. Here's what I said:
--- Quote from: Paul on July 08, 2008, 07:01:46 AM ---All I'm saying is that in our day and age, the word specially can bear that exclusivity connotation quite often; the way its used in 1 Timothy 4:10 is obsolete. Thus, a person might not see past the context; they're mind will just go: specially: exclusively. It's understandable that a person wouldn't see the verse as proof (the ultimate proof) of Universal salvation.
However
I fail to see any excuse for not realizing the word does mean especially after seeing Titus 1:10.
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This thread's merely a dialog about how one of the most essential verses for Universal Salvation doesn't make grammatical sense in today's modern English, in the most well-established translation of the Bible.
Akira329:
I think this thread ended after the second post. Especially ;) if this is a matter of which bible version to use.
Is this your point Paul ???
The debate seems to be about the KJV, right?
Its seems he's only stating the obvious about the word specially
And the obvious is we do not talk the way the KJV reads. right??
I could be totally off base here but this is what I gathered from the thread.
Antaiwan
Paul:
--- Quote from: Akira329 on July 09, 2008, 12:07:25 PM ---Its seems he's only stating the obvious about the word specially
And the obvious is we do not talk the way the KJV reads. right??
I could be totally off base here but this is what I gathered from the thread.
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You're exactly correct.
joyful1:
Passing out cups of coffee, cola, beer, wine, water....lets see...did I get everyone??
Okay...vodka for the guy in the back! ::::who IS that guy in the back anyway?::::
::::lifting sunglasses to see better:::::: 8)
whatever! Now....
Personally, I LOVE the fact that you brought this up, Paul!! :D
I admire your tenacity for standing up for what you believe in! This is the making of a warrior! A saint! You go guy! :o woooh hoo! And ...AND!!!....BONUS!!!! YOU are "exercising" MY faith! I am being made to give an answer for the HOPE that is within me!! I want to THANK YOU for this thread, dear brother (*or future brother, whatever!)....doesn't matter to me! I'll count you as family now, seeing as how I myself am waiting for the "adoption, to wit," and I personally believe that everyone else will make it too! You probably believe everything that I do anyway and I'm making a total fool of myself going on like this!! Oh well, won't be the first time! ;D
Now...I think my explanation about Paul's comment about "those of the circumcision" was quite good. I actually surprised myself in that 2nd comment! But you didn't comment on them? ???
And secondly; I think if you replace "specially" with "especially" in each of these verses.....it totally works!
Here we go:
Deuteronomy 4:10 (*we really do not have to include this OT verse since the word "specially" was translated from an entirely different Hebrew word...but hey...why not be completely sure about this?)
Specially the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me....
Acts 25:26
Of whom I have no certain thing to write unto my lord. Wherefore I have brought him forth before you, and specially before thee, O king Agrippa, that, after examination had, I might have somewhat to write.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1 Timothy 5:8
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
Titus 1:10
For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
Philemon 1:16
Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord?
Okay...now scroll back up and put "ESPECIALLY" in all those places where I highlighted the word "specially" ....see??? IT TOTALLY WORKS!
So...if you like using the word "especially" in any of these verses...it would not be butchering the meaning or the gist of the passages to do so...this IMHO.
The word "especially" is used interchangeably with "specially" in both old and modern English.
Specially:
μάλιστα
malista
mal'-is-tah
Neuter plural of the superlative of an apparently primary adverb μάλα mala (very); (adverb) most (in the greatest degree) or particularly: - chiefly, most of all, (e-) specially.
So Paul....do you take vanilla or coconut flavouring in your coffee?
sincerely,
tryN2BAgoodpeacemaker.com (*don't go there, I made it up!)
Joyce :)
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