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I kinda wish part 2 of the Lake of Fire series was the first part
Dave in Tenn:
Well put, Sirach. That has been my experience as well. And I've been astounded at how God has laid even 'random' clicks in the order I apparently needed to read them...and continues to. It's funny...I started with the Letters to Hagee and Kennedy. I had no idea at the time that's where the Website started! Then I started reading some of the emails and got a sense of what Ray was about. When I was convinced that he wasn't starting his own religion, but was dealing softly with confusion and with authority against Theological hobbyists I had all the confidence I needed that the man behind this thing was worthy of respect.
Though I came for a few minutes of 'harmless' diversion, God dragged me to truth against all odds in a few hours time.
I'll let the moderators run the website, but I did want to chime in alongside Sirach.
Paul:
I thought that was a really good post, Dave.
dewey:
Hi, Paul
First of all, I would like to say that Ray Smith gets so many rebukes is because 99% of the people have not had their eyes opened or their ears cleaned out. and an awful lot of them that have been called cannot accept the simplicity of salvation. Do yourself a favor and go to the top of the main page. If you read all of that, you will not be going to the Lake of Fire first. We believe that by the time you get to the Lake of Fire series, everything will be perfectly clear. By the time Paula and I got to number 1 The Book of Revelations is a book of symbols. We were excited. I would have been disappointed to have gotten further along and found out that
Revelations was a book of symbols. It is important to understand that from jump street. However, we must confess that before reading the Lake of Fire series we read 12 Truths to Understanding His Word. Paula and I both believe that everthing you read on every page of Ray's material is just exactly like God wants it.
Oh, by the way, I have a tendency to repeat what Mharrell 08 has to say. But that would only get me in trouble because it's clearly an attack on Paul. After having made that mistake myself, I know now his message should have been a PM.
In the Spirit of Jesus Christ, We Love Ya
Dewey & Paula said it
Going out on a limb for Jesus - why? 'cause that's where the fruit's at
Samson:
Hello Everyone,
I appreciated your insight, Sirach, I sorta have a similiar perspective in that at least some of us might have spent many years studying the Bible, examining a variety of " Christian " Sites, including Universal ones and I know some Forum members who are former members of The Worldwide Church of God, Jehovah's Witnesses and other Denominations that " Use " the Bible alot and after all those many years exposed to a heavy diet of Scriptural study, we still had an inaccurate understanding of most Bible related subjects, at least for me, it was a humbling experience to embrace Ray's material. The Scripture that came to my mind while reading the Posts on this thread was at 2Timothy. 3:7 " Always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth." That's precisely the case with most, if not many of us, we might have known some of these Truths, prior to our discovering Ray's Site, but we didn't have a thorough accurate Knowledge of Truth. As an example, prior to my discovering Bible-Truths, I knew about Aion meaning Age-lasting, Kolasin meaning Chastisement, Hades and Sheol meaning the unseen and imperceptible, Oleuthron & Apollemi being Lost or losing or desolation instead of Destruction or Perish, I never believed in eternal Torment or the Soul being inherently immortal, never believed in the Trinity, etc, etc; However I never heard about the concept of NOT HAVING FREE WILL, didn't know Jesus was Jehovah, I used to think that Jehovah was The Father, didn't understand about The Beast being ourselves and many other things at this Site and I still have much to learn. From Ray's Site, I've learned the better part, so to speak.
Also Dewey makes a good point about the order in which Ray places his Articles, that may be the way that's best for studying and learning the information. Dennis Vogel mentions that it doesn't matter which order you present things, because if someone is Blind, they won't see it until God opens their eyes.
Just my thoughts on this Thread, no finger pointing from me, Just thoughts and observations.
Your Brother, Samson.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: dewey on August 04, 2008, 07:58:05 PM ---Oh, by the way, I have a tendency to repeat what Mharrell 08 has to say. But that would only get me in trouble because it's clearly an attack on Paul. After having made that mistake myself, I know now his message should have been a PM.
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To All:
I'm sorry, but my post was not an attack on Paul. I don't know Paul, but I can speak on and question his threads. And my post was not only just about this particular topic, but some of Paul's postings that always seem to question Ray's teaching and also always including a better method.
I have yet to read a scriptural reason as to why he feels whatever method is better than what Ray has presented at the time. Oh, I read how he 'thinks' his way would be better, but never based off the scriptures.
Look at one of his past postings about a sentence Ray had in the 'Exposing those that Contradict' paper: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7711.0.html
1. This paper has no link provided from the main webpage so any new visitor would not be able to find it.
2. Paul stated he was confused when he admits to reading part 1 of LOF series which states the book of Revelation is a book of symbol. So now he forgot the symbolism and is confused about the 2nd death.
3. Is overjoyed because Ray 'changed' the paper which is his goal on numerous threads he starts.
I have no qualms on calling a spade a spade. I don't know how many times a mod has stated to 'email Ray directly' if you disagree with him, but Paul does not respect that rule nor is patient to wait for Ray to answer his questions. He even started a thread about Ray not answering his email quickly: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7777.msg61929.html#msg61929
The bottom line is, why is it always Ray that needs to change something because YOU (you=whoever the shoe fits) don't understand. Almost every other member is humble when they start a post about not understanding an issue, willing to listen to others, and if they don't agree they choose to study the scriptures more on the issue. Sometimes it's not Ray teaching that's the problem, it could be your carnality getting in the way.
But in regards to Paul, I do not know him nor wish to 'attack' him. But I have yet to see any scriptural references on how Ray changing his teaching on whatever subject would be beneficial. This is the 2nd time a member has questioned Ray's teaching because 'they' don't understand something. Never once in either of the threads, is the original poster looking to make a change. It's always Ray that needs to change something. And to me, that's just self-absorbed.
Thanks,
Marques
P.S. If anyone wants to discuss anything, PM me please. I am done with the boards. The ungratefulness is just astounding to Ray who God is surely using to teach his Word.
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