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John 1:1-5
AK4:
--- Quote ---We worship the Father in Spirit and the Father only, He is a jealous God, “You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me," (Ex.20:5). But we pray to Him in the name of His only begotten Son Jesus Christ. That's in my opinion.
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You are right Roy. But i need help with this.
The KJV Strong's Version
Revelation 5 Read This Chapter
5:12
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
5:13
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
New International Version
Revelation 5 Read This Chapter
5:12
In a loud voice they sang: "Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!"
5:13
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!"
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 2129 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
eujlogiva from the same as (2127)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Eulogia 2:754,275
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
yoo-log-ee'-ah Noun Feminine
Definition
praise, laudation, panegyric: of Christ or God fine discourse, polished language
in a bad sense, language artfully adapted to captivate the hearer: fair speaking, fine speeches an invocation of blessing, benediction consecration a (concrete) blessing, benefit
King James Word Usage - Total: 16
blessing 11, bounty 2, bountifully + (1909)&version=kjv 2, fair speech 1
KJV Verse Count
Romans 2
1 Corinthians 1
2 Corinthians 2
Galatians 1
Ephesians 1
Hebrews 2
James 1
1 Peter 1
Revelation 3
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Total 14
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 2127 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
eujlogevw from a compound of (2095) and (3056)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Eulogeo 2:754,275
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
yoo-log-eh'-o Verb
Definition
to praise, celebrate with praises to invoke blessings to consecrate a thing with solemn prayers
to ask God's blessing on a thing pray God to bless it to one's use pronounce a consecratory blessing on of God
to cause to prosper, to make happy, to bestow blessings on favoured of God, blessed
King James Word Usage - Total: 44
bless 43, praise 1
KJV Verse Count
Matthew 6
Mark 6
Luke 13
John 1
Acts 1
Romans 1
1 Corinthians 3
Galatians 1
Ephesians 1
Hebrews 6
James 1
1 Peter 1
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Total 41
These are the only two verses that i can find that may say praise Jesus. But more translations has blessings than praise. The word for those has got to be used as a noun and not a verb. And when you look at how its been used throughout scripture, as blessing(s) more than praise. I think the NIV may have translated wrong with praise.
What say you guys?
Anthony,
ps--- I was going to start this post in response to Akiras post
--- Quote ---How does this question his deity? or whether or not he is worthy to be praised?
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And ask can you find me a verse that specifically says he(Jesus) is worthy to be praised.
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Quote from: winner08 on Today at 05:49:57 AM
I know this is simple minded but who were we told by Jesus to worship?
Darren
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Darren, think about it like this. Jesus came in his Fathers name and worshipped him. If he would of came in His own name what would have happened?
Joh 5:43 - Show Context
I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him
Imagine this verse....
Joh 11:41 - Show Context
So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, "Father, I thank you that you have heard me.
going like this...
"Jesus, I thank myself that i heard myself"
AK4:
Another thing...
If we are to praise Jesus, what would have been the point of Him introducing us to the Father?
Kat:
I think a little review of Ray's article 'Is God a Close Trinity or an Open Family' will help us get our bearings on this matter.
Who and What is GOD?
"There is ONE GOD, the FATHER, out of Whom ALL is..." (I Cor. 8:6).
"For there is ONE God" (I Tim. 2:5).
"You are my witnesses whether there is any god, any Power, any besides ME" (Isa. 44:8 Moffatt Translation).
"The ONE Who is operating ALL in accord with the counsel of HIS will..." (Eph. 1:11).
"Out of Him and through Him and for Him is ALL: to HIM be the glory for the eons! Amen!" (Rom. 11:36).
"...your heavenly Father IS PERFECT" (Mat. 5:48)
"God IS LOVE" (I John 4:08).
"God IS SPIRIT" (John 4:24).
"...the INVISIBLE GOD" (II Cor. 4:4).
"Now it is eonian life that they may know Thee, the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Him Whom Thou dost commission, Jesus Christ" (John 17:3).
Jesus called His Father "...the ONLY TRUE GOD" (Jn. 17:3).
"God is NOT A MAN..." (I Sam. 15:29).
Who and What is Jesus Christ?
Jesus Christ IS A MAN! "For there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR of God and mankind, A MAN, Christ Jesus..." (I Tim. 2:5).
"Thou art the Christ, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD" (Mat. 16:16).
"Christ, Who is the IMAGE of the invisible God" (II Cor. 4:4).
"The Lord Jesus Christ, the SON OF THE FATHER" (II Jn 3).
"The BEGINNING of the creation of God" (Rev. 3:14 JKV)
"God’s CREATIVE ORIGINAL" (Rev. 3:14 CLNT).
"If God were your Father, you would have loved Me. For OUT OF GOD I CAME FORTH and am arriving" (John 8:42).
"Nor Jesus said to him, Why are you terming Me good? No one is good except ONE, GOD" (Mark 10:18).
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was toward God, and God was the Word" (John 1:1). (This is the proper order of the Greek words. Jesus is the Logos or Spokesman of God).
I believe most can see from the above Scriptures that there are numerous and fundamental differences between the Father and Jesus the Son. However, there are still reasons to ask whether or not Jesus Christ, the Son of God the Father, is not also "God?" Is Christ for example, not worthy our worship? Dare we worship any but "God?" And if Christ is indeed "God," when isn’t He of the very same status, rank, authority, etc., as His Father? Good questions. Let’s take them one at a time.
Is Christ God? YES HE IS!
"Yet to the Son [this is GOD speaking]: ‘Thy throne, O GOD, is for the eon of the eon..." (Heb. 1:08).
And also:
Who [Jesus], being inherently in the form of God, deems it not pillaging [taking by force or plundering] to be EQUAL WITH GOD" (Phil. 2:6).
Is Christ worthy of worship? YES HE IS !
"And lo! A leper, coming to Him, WORSHIPED Him, saying..." (Mat. 8:2),
"lo! One approaching Him [Jesus], a chief, WORSHIPED Him..." (Mat. 9:18),
"Now those in the ship WORSHIP Him, saying, ‘truly, God’s Son art Thou!’"
"Yet she, coming, WORSHIPS Him, saying, ‘Lord, help me!’" (Mat. 15:25).
So Christ is called "God," and did not consider it pillaging to be "equal" with God, and was often "worshiped." So surely, even if Christ is not the third person of a trinity, He must at least be the second person of a duet! SURELY, HE IS NOT! Let me explain.
Jesus IS God! True, but this fact does NOT make Him the FATHER! Let us always read and believe the Scriptures. The English word "God" is translated from the Greek word Theos which means PLACER or DISPOSER. ANYONE to whom the Father gives such an office of "placer or disposer" is a God! Notice what God says in Psalm 82:6,
"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."
Jesus explains this verse for us:
"Jesus answered them, ‘Is it not written in your law, that ‘I say you are gods’? If He said those were gods, to whom the word of God came [and the scripture can not be annulled], are you saying to Him Whom the Father hallows and dispatches into the world that You are blaspheming,’ seeing that I said, ‘Son of God am I’? If I am not doing My Father’s works, do not believe Me. Yet if I am doing them, and if ever you are not believing Me, be believing the works, that you may be knowing and believing that in Me is the Father, and I am in the Father."
Okay then, let’s notice a few very important points. Jesus never came out and said "I AM GOD!" He always called Himself, "The Son OF God." Recall that Jesus did not consider it "pillaging" to be equal with God. That is, he didn’t need to steal, or take His office by FORCE, because His God, the Father, GAVE ALL THINGS TO HIM FREELY! Though Jesus is certainly "God," we must always remember that everything that made Him "God" (like His Father), WAS GIVEN TO HIM! Is there anyone who would suggest that someone GAVE God the Father all that He possesses? I think not. There is clearly a distinction--we have a "Father" and a "Son," NOT two equal Gods of a so-called trinity.
http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: AK4 on August 23, 2008, 08:03:50 AM ---Another thing...
If we are to praise Jesus, what would have been the point of Him introducing us to the Father?
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Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation and took upon him the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things in earth and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
I believe this sums up the answer to your question Anthony, if we love, praise, follow and exalt Jesus Christ we are also doing the very same thing to His and our Father as they are of One Mind and One Spirit. When we worship Christ we are worshipping the Father who sent Him to us, Christ is the perfect Ambassador for God our Father.
Peace,
Joe
AK4:
Wow i cant believe i overlooked those plain scriptures Joe. Yes that did sum up that stupid question of mine. You and Kat hit the nail right on top of the head.
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