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Robin:
Here are the verses that mean a lot to me concerning obeying the commandments.

Galatians 3:
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Matthew 22
34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Romans 13:
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,”[a] “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

2 John 1:
5 And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another. 6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

1 John 2:
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Philippians 3
12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. 16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.

Ezekiel 36:
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

2 Corinthians 3:
2 You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

walt123:
hello richard
hope you find your answer,but i want to thank brenda and kat for anwsering my question when i first join the forum.
it was the exact answer i was looking for about the "free will" and even when ray explain it ,i seem to have mist it .
again i hope your question is anwsered richard.
walt

David:

--- Quote from: digitalwise on October 14, 2008, 08:04:49 PM ---Dear David,


--- Quote ---Not only do I believe we can do these commandments from our Lord, we better be praying that we are doing them if we are to have any hope in the first resurrection at all. Of course, we can only do these things with Gods Spirit and grace (Divine intervention on the heart).
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I disagree.

The truth is we cannot OBEY and DO ALL these commandments.

Jas 2:10  For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

We enter 1st resurrection based on GRACE EXTERNAL imputed not imparted.

Rom 5:13  For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Jas 2:23  And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him6 for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
 
Imparted Grace aides us in our daily walk but we are far from perfected in this life even knowing the LAWS right now!

2Ti 1:14  That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.

digitalwise





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I wasn't speaking of the commandments in regard to the Law of Moses, the law. I was speaking of the commandments in Matthew 5,6,7 and the rest of the NT, the commandments given by Christ.

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good?[f] No one is good but One, that is, God.[g] But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “ ‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’[h] and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”



John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

John 15:9“As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
11 “These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. 12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. 15 No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. 17 These things I command you, that you love one another.


1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

1 Cor 14:37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.


1 Thes 4:2 for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

1 John 3:22 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.


1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.


2 John  V 6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments,[g] that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.


Digitalwise, dear brother. I'm seeing a lot of commandments here from Christ that we're being told to both obey and do.

Jesus Christ Himself obeyed and did what His Father commanded him to do. John 10:18, John 12:49, John 12:50, John 14:31.

Very often in the NT commandments ate to be both obeyed and done. In most of these scriptures the doing is the obeying.
 

winner08:
Richard D: Marques says something about you being all over the place. I for one totally understands why. I too get excited about Ray's teachings and when I come to an understanding, something I did not understand before, I get all excited and I want to share that knowledge and excitement with others. But I don't think I do a good job because I am all over the place with whatever I am trying to share. I remember someone here told be when conveying with others keep it short as possible and try to stay on one point at a time. I know when I am reading replays I get anxious if it is long. I also get lost on point. KISS we all heard of that. Keep it short and simple.

Take no offence to my advice it is only my opinion.

Richard D:
Winner 08

I’m not offended, I have learned so much in these pass few days it’s incredible. Brothers say, do this and sisters say do that. But I say Christ has freed us from bondage, we are one body but many parts. Can the whole body be just a foot? How will it see where it’s going?

Be who you are in Christ Jesus, when a brother says do this, then for that brother, its right for him but may not be right for you. Don’t let yourself be put under law. Christ die for you and set you free. Stay free my brother in Christ Jesus.

                                    In His Freedom. Richard.

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