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How deep has Ray’s teachings taken us?
Robin:
Thank you George.
I can't see anywhere in my posts where I indicate that we are being saved by works, but I am probably communicating poorly again.
I'll just say that God caused me to like Mexican food too, lol.
Richard D:
Below is and excerpt from ray’s e-mail.
When you or I are confronted with a decision to either do something that we know is right, or know is wrong, we weight the options and MAKE THE CHOICE. God has absolutely given man a brain that has the ability to process information. Man CAN process information and make a choice. But it is the information itself the causes the choice one way or the other. The man cannot make a choice WITHOUT some form of information that influences or ultimately CAUSES him to make a choice. NO ONE MAKES US MAKE THE CHOICE, even other unforeseen circumstances and information DOES MAKE OR CAUSE US TO CHOOSE! True, circumstances beyond our control, which we do not see or even perceive, do cause us to MAKE a choice, but ... BUT, IN OUR OWN HEART AND MIND, WE MAKE THE CHOICE -- not someone else or something else.
But "it's all GOD" Who is ACTUALLY doing it, isn't it? NO, YOU, ACTUALLY, ARE THE ACTIVE PARTICIPANT WHO IS DOING IT! God merely brings about the circumstances that INFLUENCE AND CAUSE YOU TO DO IT!
I absolutely make my own choices, any decisions I decide and follow through with are of me but caused by God. So the only choice I can make is the choice God cause me to make. My view of this is that I decide what God told me to decide. I cannot make a decision outside of God’s purpose.
So if I want to go to a restaurant but God wants me to go to a museum to bring his truths to a person at the museum, then my decision will be the museum, So I made the only choice possible for me but I’m held accountable also.
It must be like this I think or God’s purpose cannot be fulfilled.
In His Love. Richard.
Beloved:
I absolutely make my own choices, any decisions I decide and follow through with are of me but caused by God. So the only choice I can make is the choice God cause me to make. My view of this is that I decide what God told me to decide. I cannot make a decision outside of God’s purpose.
I am not sure to really got this Richard your explanation seems to indicate that if you saw a 50 dollar bill on the street and picked it up that God caused you to do it. The way you are using the word cause is confusing.
Paul warned the saints of his time about going down this path.
God presents you with the circumstances, what he is causing .....is you to go through the circumstance. It is your carnal nature that reacts...it is only God working in you that "helps" you overcome the carnal and make the correct or righteous choice.....
Are you watching pornography right now, swearing up a blue streak, getting drunk now....if Christ in is you , you have overcome some of these...one of the oher posts dicussed idols of the heart....Jesus has to work these out of you . It take time and tribulation...so right now pride, self righteousness and envy or some other idol may still need to be knocked down.
That 50.00 will incite greed and covetous, that is built into all of us sinning machines....Yes that is 'the way we were made', God has taken resposiblity and has given us His son as Saviour and Redeemer, but our works still stand...the bad ones will need to be burned out...but the Will and purpose of God is to show us ......that everything that will happen will ulitmatlely Glorify God because He has this glorious plan for us.
Isa 66:18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
Jer 24:7 And I will give them a heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.
Jer 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
beloved
Richard D:
Beloved.
Thank you so much for you’re explanation. I was somehow missing the mark on this but your explanation has put it together for me. I’m sure others were telling me this but I did not fully understand.
So, God causes circumstances in my life and causes me to make a decision concerning these circumstances and with Christ in me I learn how to overcome the wrong within me and learn to do what is right in God’s sight by teaching me through this experience of good and evil.
So, I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me but this is a lifetime process through trials which come by circumstances which God causes and then aids me in overcoming.
Beloved, is this thinking rightly in the truth? If so, then I understand, if not, then back to the drawing board for me.
Thank you beloved. In His Love. Richard.
aqrinc:
M.G.,
Sorry it came out like that; my point is: (Saved by Grace Through Faith) the rest was completion of the verse.
Please accept my most profound apology; no intention on my part to say you even mentioned works by us. :-[
In future i will guard my words more carefully.
I love Mexican Food too, just had 5 fabulous Tacos made by my Wife for dinner. :P but i am at least 1/4 Hispanic.
In Truth and Love Brother, George.
--- Quote from: M.G. on October 17, 2008, 01:41:41 PM ---Thank you George.
I can't see anywhere in my posts where I indicate that we are being saved by works, but I am probably communicating poorly again.
I'll just say that God caused me to like Mexican food too, lol.
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