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How deep has Ray’s teachings taken us?
Beloved:
Yes Richard you are closer now
beloved
digitalwise:
--- Quote from: M.G. on October 17, 2008, 01:41:41 PM ---Thank you George.
I can't see anywhere in my posts where I indicate that we are being saved by works, but I am probably communicating poorly again.
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You did not. And we agree on all facets of grace. It's okay to declare the other side of grace.
When we take teachings as an orthodoxy* kind of approach to our faith, we do "fall asleep" as you say. Some die very young ignoring their sins.
I would like to say to myself and also to others - very careful how when you are given so much light you do become arrogant or puffed up with just knowledge.
--- Quote ---I have sometimes walked a mile or two, almost limping along because there was a stone in my shoe, and I did not stop to look for it. And many a Christian goes limping for years because of the stones in his shoe, but if he would only stop to look for them, he would be relieved. What is the sin that is causing you pain? Get it out, and take away the sin, for if you do not, you have not regarded this admonition which speaketh unto you as unto sons — “My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord.” Spurgeon From a sermon entitled "Chastisement," delivered October 28, 1855.
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God never calls us to complacency concerning our sins. The above virtually sums up how we should treat sin on our life long journey toward the Kingdom.
My background comes from legalism in the church. I have fought a long hard fight in mainline churches against legalism.
One aspect of legalism is the methodology of punishment for the non-believer = hell / falsehoods. Whilst it is true - "no man comes to the Father except by me [Jesus], it is interesting to note that the great white throne of judgement determines mankinds destiny in the end of all things. Here the scene is an allegorical court room scene of finality. Jesus still remains the doorway and abatrator of salvation in its final outworking. Here we see the drama of salvation sorted out and it still will be grace that determines the outcome on each individual.
On that day we'll say with Psalmist: Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
Kind Regards,
Digitalwise
orthodoxy - prevailing attitude of belief as in religious / theology.
Richard D:
Beloved.
This is and excerpt from Ray’s work (the lake of fire) part 1 below.
And for all who do have confidence in the Scriptures, let me say equally dogmatically that there is absolutely no Scriptural proof for man having a "free will" or the ability to make "uncaused choices." In every case Scripture shows that it is God Who is behind the scene of all circumstances that influence and cause a man to make the one and only choice possible under any given circumstance. This law of "cause and effect" is stated and demonstrated time and again in Scripture. Ignorance of these behind the scenes causes does not disprove the fact that they are the actual and literal cause of our choices
Something’s that Ray teaches comes to me with such ease. As I start to think I understand Ray’s meaning concerning our will being subjected to God’s will I find myself regressing each time.
I understand that God governs everything in my life and that I play right into the hands of God with every choice I make but I cannot for the life of me pin point how this is being played out in me.
Let’s say I’m on a speeding boat ¼ of a mile from land and God causes me to fall of the speeding boat but no one on the boat knows I fell off. So I make the only possible choice which is to swim towards land.
Now if I drown God is responsible but I’m held accountable because I was not strong enough to make it to land.
So with God I can make it to land because he strengthens me, thus teaching me how to swim.
Maybe that’s it in a nut shell.
In His Love. Richard.
Richard D:
I don’t believe salvation depends on understanding this will of ours and God’s sovereignty over our will although I could be wrong. I know God’s purpose is worked out through our will.
Good works is another one, if we do good works on our own it does not count but if God does good works through us it does counts.
Maybe I’m placing too much emphasis on these things. :-\
In God’s love. Richard.
mharrell08:
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me [Jesus] ye can do nothing.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
No one can do 'good works' on their own and/or without God. God ordains the good works that we do. As He also "works all things after the counsel of His own will" [Eph. 1:11].
This is one of the many misunderstandings that the church teaches. There is nothing done outside of the counsel of God. All is of God.
Marques
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