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Physical Bodies at ressurrection
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Kat on October 20, 2008, 12:46:54 PM ---It seems to me most use 1 Cor . 15 to imply all will be raised spirit being. But notice who Paul is speaking to.
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I make known unto you The joyful message, which I myself announced to you, which also ye received, in which also ye stand;
Now notice that the subject is to "be made alive."
1Co 15:20 But, now, hath Christ been raised from among the dead,—a firstfruit of them who have fallen asleep;
v.21 For, since indeed, through a man, came death, through a man, also cometh the raising of the dead;
v. 22 For, just as, in the Adam, all die, so, also, in the Christ, shall all be made alive.
v. 23 But, each, in his own rank:—A firstfruit, Christ, after that, they who are the Christ’s, in his presence,
Paul goes on to elaborate more on this resurrection, as to be "raised in incorruption," "raised in glory," "raised in power," "raised a body of the spirit." This must be only talking about those in the first resurrection.
1Co 15:42 Thus, also the resurrection of the dead: it is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption,
v. 43 It is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory, it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power,
v. 44 It is sown a body of the soul, it is raised a body of the spirit; if there is a body of the soul, there is also of the spirit:—
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This is why Kat stated it is talking of those in the first resurrection...because of the first scriptures in ch. 15 of 1 Corinthians, not her own opinion.
Marques
Kat:
Thanks Marques,
Yes that is why I stated it 'must' be the first, because of all the references in the rest of the chapter. Those in the first resurrection will also be in the resurrection of the dead, but it will be to "life." The rest will be to "condemnation," or as some translations say "judgment." But that is still the same "resurrection of the dead," just 2 different cateorgies.
John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
v. 29 and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
I see a clear difference here, but that's my opinion.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
pylady:
1Cor 15?42 "Thus, also the resurrection of the dead: it is sown in corruption (is this speaking of body and mind?), it is raised in incorruption (then this would have to mean both body and mind), vs43) it is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory, it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
If these verses are speaking of both the just and the unjust, then the unjust are raised in incorruption, with glory and power.
What need would they have to go thru the lake of fire?? ???
Don't mean to offend anyone but this sounds to me like the apostate churches teaching of being changed immediately when you die and sent to heaven or hell before being judged at the White Throne Judgement.
Peace,
Cindy :)
fe32k:
Hey All,
AK4, even though you admitted to error I still think your point is valid and has not been invalidated by any post on here yet. This leads to the question:
Why does everyone who is settled on a physical resurrection believe that to be raised a spiritual being is to be raised incorruptible?
incorruptible means spiritual
But does spiritual mean incorruptible? Obviously not.
And as I have said before, I am only using Satan as an example. The subject matter doesn't care how God deals with him, or how he is used or why he exists. That doesn't matter for my question. One of the arguments being put forth is that the 2nd resurrection is physical because the wicked CANNOT possibly get a spiritual, incorruptible body. Sure! I agree. But why can they not be raised with a spiritual corruptible body? Why is that not possible? I know of no scripture that states this is not possible especially since the scriptures confirm the existence of evil spirits. Surely they have a spiritual body, but not an incorruptible one. Does anyone understand my point now?
Again let me state, that I am not for, nor am I against physical resurrection. I still don't know. I am just trying to understand why Ray has made up his mind on this subject. This will not make or break my faith, but it definitely makes for a good discussion.
Thanks!
Fe
digitalwise:
--- Quote from: pylady on October 20, 2008, 09:30:17 PM ---1Cor 15?42 "Thus, also the resurrection of the dead: it is sown in corruption (is this speaking of body and mind?), it is raised in incorruption (then this would have to mean both body and mind), vs43) it is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory, it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
If these verses are speaking of both the just and the unjust, then the unjust are raised in incorruption, with glory and power.
What need would they have to go thru the lake of fire?? ???
Don't mean to offend anyone but this sounds to me like the apostate churches teaching of being changed immediately when you die and sent to heaven or hell before being judged at the White Throne Judgement.
Peace,
Cindy :)
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Hi Cindy,
I do not mean to offend anyone but is not the Great White throne the "clearing house" for the just and unjust or elect and not elect whom will be purged.
Aka - Rev 20 = resurrection of ALL mankind. Lamb's Book of life and those not found. and then Justice!
Digitalwise
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