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Born out of Water
Carlos31:
Yes.
"Jesus answered, "Truly, truly I tell you, unless a person is born of water and [kai means "and", "or", "therefore"] Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
since Jesus thought that physical water does not make you reborn, it CANNOT BE water "AND" spirit.
this water is THAT SAME SPIRIT. The water represents or symbolizes spirit. thats what i was trying to say in my first posts.
You are not born out of water, but out of spirit? YES, or spiritual water, whatever you prefer.
water gives life to the flesh, spiritual water, the spirit of God, gives life to the spirit.
Carlos31:
water represents the word of GOD.
John 6:63 ...the words that I [Christ] speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Carlos31 on December 14, 2008, 04:01:27 PM ---Yes.
"Jesus answered, "Truly, truly I tell you, unless a person is born of water and [kai means "and", "or", "therefore"] Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
since Jesus thought that physical water does not make you reborn, it CANNOT BE water "AND" spirit.
this water is THAT SAME SPIRIT. The water represents or symbolizes spirit. thats what i was trying to say in my first posts.
You are not born out of water, but out of spirit? YES, or spiritual water, whatever you prefer.
water gives life to the flesh, spiritual water, the spirit of God, gives life to the spirit.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: Carlos31 on December 14, 2008, 04:09:43 PM ---water represents the word of GOD.
John 6:63 ...the words that I [Christ] speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
--- End quote ---
Carlos, give it up...and you still have not answered the request for 2 or more scriptural witnesses of the Greek word 'kai' meaning therefore.
Christ says one must be born of water (sanctified in His Word) AND born of spirit (born of the spirit IS SPIRIT). Ray teaches the same...if you disagree, please email Ray. Your stubbornness to the truth is only a detriment to your spiritual growth. This was definitely NOT what you stated in the beginning.
Excerpt from 'What is the Gospel of the Kingdom' (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6142.0.html):
Be humble, be teachable, read it, see it, believe it, do it.
I don’t assume that everything I teach is automatically perfect. Certain things I know, I know when I’m on safe ground, I know. I mean I’ve been around the block a few times and I’ve repented before God. I understand spiritual principles, but I don’t claim to know it all. But when you live by the Word, then you understand the doctrine.
Thanks,
Marques
Phil3:10:
Carlos and Kat.
I distinctly remember Ray saying that none of us are currently saved but all of us are in the process of being saved. Real salvation comes at the 1st or 2nd resurrection. You comments will be greatly appreciated.
Phil3:10
Phil3:10:
Marques,
You Hit the nail right on the head. Thanks for your good research into Ray's teachings.
Phil3:10
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