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Sin and Guilt
Amrhrasach:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on March 26, 2009, 07:06:47 PM ---Hi Judy
I agree it hurts. It really really hurts.
Don't you find also that when God is dealing with you and His Consuming Fire hits, that there is only the consuming fire and every thing else just is not there anymore. The good memories fade, the positive thinking evaporates, the carnal teachings of how to stay strong disappear and all there is, is pain. Then God lets up a bit but not too much and He squeezes out some real attitude towards Him that makes me ask Him things I could never dream of asking Him in my comfort zones of cozy unchallenged delights.
Those questions then are the real questions born of suffering and not lazy academic interst in God but real live suffering questions that only God can answer.
Arc
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A few times in early life God had me to my knees as a result of a sheer sense of loss of direction. The pain of those times were tremendous. On my knees I would promise better, he provided me help, and as time went on I would realize I had lied to him. I lost my way again and was too busy with "life" to remember those promises to God. If I left my first love it was then, I think, but I still wonder if I've lost my first love.
Of late their have been more than a few more occasions where God has had me to the knees, in tears, a total loss of answers to life and its aggravations. And everything hurts. No part of the body and mind is untouched by the pain and it's only then when I'm on my knees, with tears, a heart full of agony that I hear him the clearest and feel his presence more than any other time. It reminds me that too much time is spent being concerned with things of life that aren't important at all.
That's what your statements reminded me of Arc. How can "good" be mixed with "pain"?
Gary
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote ---How can "good" be mixed with "pain"?
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One of the fruits of His Spirit is longsuffering.
In Ray's last Conference he expounds on this.
We too have to learn to be longsuffering. We have to learn to overcome. Has Christ overcome His suffering. I believe He has. Does this mean that the fruit of His Spirit of longsuffering is no longer part of Him. No.
The nature of Christ is Patience and Mercy and Love that endures. We are being transformed into His image by His Spirit and this is how good is mixed with pain as we endure the trials of our own tribulations through His Spirit. I can do all things Paul wrote. through Christ.
Arc
judith collier:
Arcturus, you make my head spin. Your intellect is far above mine as is your knowledge of scripture. I guess that is why I like to read what you say. And I listen! That SQUEEZING OUT FROM GOD is almost unbearable. I FEEL LIKE MY BRAINS ARE SCRAMBLED, MY FRUSTRATION IS PEEKED, MY ESTEEM IS SHOT DOWN, MY ANSWERS ARE NOTHING AND I FEEL LIKE I AM A CHILD AND THE STUPIDIST ONE AT THAT AND I KNOW I HAVE TO SURRENDER OR I WILL DIE. I WILL GO INTO THAT ABYSS THAT IS SO DARK AND DEEP AND THIS TIME I WILL NOT GET BACK. I HAVE TO SURRENDER, ON THE VERGE OF BEING TOTALLY DEFEATED. IS THIS BEAST SO STRONG THAT IT CAN KILL ME? LITERALLY? judy
EKnight:
--- Quote from: Judy on March 26, 2009, 10:55:16 PM ---Arcturus, you make my head spin. Your intellect is far above mine as is your knowledge of scripture. I guess that is why I like to read what you say. And I listen! That SQUEEZING OUT FROM GOD is almost unbearable. I FEEL LIKE MY BRAINS ARE SCRAMBLED, MY FRUSTRATION IS PEEKED, MY ESTEEM IS SHOT DOWN, MY ANSWERS ARE NOTHING AND I FEEL LIKE I AM A CHILD AND THE STUPIDIST ONE AT THAT AND I KNOW I HAVE TO SURRENDER OR I WILL DIE. I WILL GO INTO THAT ABYSS THAT IS SO DARK AND DEEP AND THIS TIME I WILL NOT GET BACK. I HAVE TO SURRENDER, ON THE VERGE OF BEING TOTALLY DEFEATED. IS THIS BEAST SO STRONG THAT IT CAN KILL ME? LITERALLY? judy
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Ditto Judy.
--- Quote from: Arcturus on March 26, 2009, 07:06:47 PM ---
Don't you find also that when God is dealing with you and His Consuming Fire hits, that there is only the consuming fire and every thing else just is not there anymore. The good memories fade, the positive thinking evaporates, the carnal teachings of how to stay strong disappear and all there is, is pain. Then God lets up a bit but not too much and He squeezes out some real attitude towards Him that makes me ask Him things I could never dream of asking Him in my comfort zones of cozy unchallenged delights.
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Arc, this is profoundly true. You have a way with words.
--- Quote ---A few times in early life God had me to my knees as a result of a sheer sense of loss of direction. The pain of those times were tremendous. On my knees I would promise better, he provided me help, and as time went on I would realize I had lied to him. I lost my way again and was too busy with "life" to remember those promises to God. If I left my first love it was then, I think, but I still wonder if I've lost my first love.
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Gary, you didn't lie, you were honest with your feelings at that moment and you and I both know that God already knew you would forget your promise. However, God's mercy is ever lasting.
Eileen
Amrhrasach:
--- Quote from: EKnight on March 26, 2009, 11:16:32 PM ---However, God's mercy is ever lasting.
Eileen
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Mercy. A small 5 letter word but has so much power in love. Like gold that a small amount of it can be stretched and can cover so much. Thank you Eileen.
Gary
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