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Eternal Life not promised?
Harryfeat:
Maybe a cite from Strongs dictionary will help here.
G126
ἀΐ́διος
aidios
ah-id'-ee-os
From G104; everduring (forward and backward, or foward only): - eternal, everlasting.
Daniel:
--- Quote from: jerreye ---Hi Lightseeker,
I used to believe too that AIDIOS was indeed the Greek word for "eternal" or "everlasting". It isn't. "AIDIOS" actually means "imperceptible" (somthing that is very hard or even impossible to mentally perceive), and does not mean what our modern english word "eternal" means. Different concept all together.
Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting [AIDIOS...better translated "imperceptible"] chains under darkness UNTO[UNTIL] the judgment of the great day.
If AIDIOS meant "everlasting", then there could be no "UNTO/UNTIL" in this verse :)
God Bless,
Jeremy
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Wow Jeremy thank you for posting this. I knew it had nothing to do with length of days. I knew it meant to know God as the verse itself gives its own definition. But I thought on the definition you posted of its "direct meaning" in itself (aside from the verses definition).You show it by a straight on definition by itself (which I never heard before)
You wrote
--- Quote ---that ADIOS which is given to us is something that is very hard or even impossible to mentally perceive
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even imperceptible
That sounds alot like this simply in itself (described elsewhere)
1Cr 1:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, "the things" which God hath prepared for them that love him.[/u]
1Cr 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.[/u]
Thanks for posting that Jeremy, I love catching those things even i the definitions themselves :D
Peace
Daniel
Lightseeker:
--- Quote from: jerreye ---Hi Lightseeker,
I used to believe too that AIDIOS was indeed the Greek word for "eternal" or "everlasting". It isn't. "AIDIOS" actually means "imperceptible" (somthing that is very hard or even impossible to mentally perceive), and does not mean what our modern english word "eternal" means. Different concept all together.
Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting [AIDIOS...better translated "imperceptible"] chains under darkness UNTO[UNTIL] the judgment of the great day.
God Bless,
Jeremy
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Jeremy,
Something new to think about I guess. That definition does change things. What is your source for that definition?
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If AIDIOS meant "everlasting", then there could be no "UNTO/UNTIL" in this verse :)
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Wouldn't another POV still work here? The fact that the 'chains are everlasting' doesn't mean that they can't be released...does it? I mean does the fact that our God is a consuming fire mean that fire will go out when all rebellion and evil works are burned up??? See what I mean. Don't know but just a thought.
Harryfeat,
My original def. was from Strong's...but I just gave the abbreviated essence. That's just the way my program lists it.
jerreye:
Hi Daniel,
Your welcome :)
I am glad that you posted that piece of scripture...
1Cr 1:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen [perceived], nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, "the things" which God hath prepared for them that love him.
Couple that with the following verse and we can better understand what this word "Aidios" means:
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal ["AIDIOS"...IMPERCEPTIBLE] power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.
What does "Eternal Power" mean, anyway? Who knows! It doesn't really make too much sense to me. However, IMPERCEPTIBLE POWER does make sense to me...Eye has NOT SEEN!
God Bless,
Jeremy
jerreye:
Hi Lightseeker,
If something is truly "everlasting", then that essentially means it WILL never and CAN never end. Otherwise it wouldn't really be "EVERlasting", it would be "AGElasting". See what I mean?
Here is the Concordant Literal NT rendering of Jude 1:6
Jude 1:6 Besides, messengers who keep not their own sovereignty, but leave their own habitation, He has kept in imperceptible bonds under gloom for the judging of the great day.
Look at Romans 1:20:
Romans 1:20 For His invisible attributes are descried from the creation of the world, being apprehended by His achievements, besides His imperceptible power and divinity, for them to be defenseless.
The KJ has "Eternal power". What makes more sense..."imperceptible power", or "eternal power"? We know God is powerful, but we are really unable to truly PERCEIVE its magnitude. It is imperceptible for us humans to perceive His true power.
But I totally see where you are at right now with that word...I was there about a year ago when I posted a message stating my beliefs (at the time) that ADIOS means "everlasting". I was mistaken.
God bless!
Jeremy
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