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Eternal Life not promised?
rocky:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver ---Doesn't one need to be born before they can die and be resurrected? I do not see scripture equating "born in spirit" and" resurrection" pertaining to the conversion from carnal life to spiritual life.
When I did a word search on E-sword I found resurrection primarliy as either what Christ actually experienced or references to belief in that experience, not that we have been resurrected, no we have been reborn, become a new creature in His Spirit.
Return and resurrect are close to synonymous both relate to "bringing something back" if I have never been to Africa how can I return to Africa, I must have been there (born) and left (die) before I can return (resurrected) there.
Resurecting a career would imply you had to have a career to begin with, resurrecting a reputation means you had a reputation previously, a new person has to ESTABLISH a reputation (life) then lose it (die) then trust that it will be returned/resurrected at the appointed time.
Joe
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat, as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
--- End quote ---
Cool Joe, never seen it that way. this came to mind, reading your verses.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Jam 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
(to me married is union, one with Him, He is resurrection, Christ in us is resurrection)
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.[/quote]
I don't believe the resurrection is past, but i'm beginning to believe that it is now, a process (not a one time event) of Christ revealing himself to those he chooses to. To me, Christ=Resurrection. The Revelation of Christ in us=Resurrection.
rocky:
Definitions of resurrection.
G386
ἀνάστασις
anastasis
an-as'-tas-is
From G450; a standing up again, that is, (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, general or by implication (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth): - raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.
G1454
ἔγερσις
egersis
eg'-er-sis
From G1453; a resurgence (from death): - resurrection.
G1815
ἐξανάστασις
exanastasis
ex-an-as'-tas-is
From G1817; a rising from death: - resurrection.
I see what yu mean even more Joe, thanks.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: rocky ---I don't believe the resurrection is past, but i'm beginning to believe that it is now, a process (not a one time event) of Christ revealing himself to those he chooses to. To me, Christ=Resurrection. The Revelation of Christ in us=Resurrection.
--- End quote ---
Rocky, I agree we are going through a process as those in the past did and those yet to come will, but that process is growing (living) in His spirit, developing (maturing) the fruits of the spirit (and manifesting those fruits in our lives).
Joe
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: rocky ---Definitions of resurrection.
G386
ἀνάστασις
anastasis
an-as'-tas-is
From G450; a standing up again, that is, (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, general or by implication (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth): - raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.
G1454
ἔγερσις
egersis
eg'-er-sis
From G1453; a resurgence (from death): - resurrection.
G1815
ἐξανάστασις
exanastasis
ex-an-as'-tas-is
From G1817; a rising from death: - resurrection.
I see what yu mean even more Joe, thanks.
--- End quote ---
Rocky,
You are very welcome my Brother,
Joe
chrissiela:
jerreye,
I never said that you said that the resurrection is past. I understood your point.
My point was that no one here has said it is past and that is the accusation being made.
Chrissie
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