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Accountable, responsible
Dave in Tenn:
The only thing He didn't say was 'good' was man. He, collectively, is a work is progress. Individually, he is a brand new creation and also a work in progress.
This is a hard pill to swallow at first. We're not usually raised to 'blame' God, and it feels like such a failing and so blasphemous to say that God is responsible for the mess we find ourselves in. Yet, we are happy to acknowledge that God is responsible for our redemption, and for conforming us to the image of Christ. Evil had/has to happen for those things to be fulfilled too.
Without the first part of our lives (where we are subject to the rule of sin and death) there can't be a 'rest of the story' in ressurection/being raised to newness of life (where we are subject to the rule of Christ). He didn't come to call the righteous to repentance. He also is not currently calling those with no 'ear' for repentance. That's two reasons why the way is so narrow. :)
Marky Mark:
I think God lets conditions exist in the world that give meaning to the word sin. Why can't God create whatever He deems necessary in order to have a family of righteous sons and daughters? Just because sin exists does not mean that God puts sin in our hearts to commit. We know that God is Holy and that humanity is not.God cannot sin but He can and has created evil conditions so that sin can ultimately flourish. Satan comes to mind as one of His creations that was created for the explicit purpose to deceive and make mankind fall short[sin] of Gods glory.You would have to ask yourself if God created evil does that mean that He is evil? The carnal nature of mans heart is what commits sin because it was by design to facilitate an end purpose. Just because the Creator creates does not mean that he is being sinful in His creation.The evil choices that we commit are the reasons that sin exist. Remember God is Perfect and Perfection does not make mistakes[sin].
James 1:13
13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
Peace...Mark
Roy Martin:
Hi Dave, when I first realized that God was responsible, I had such a good feeling, and the burden became so much lighter. I accepted it with arms wide open, and still do.
I can also see that He isn't calling those that don't have an ear for repentance. I never know that this isn't happening when someone is questioning me about God. I remember when I didn't believe in God and would argue with believers and question them. Most of them were kind and polite, and little did I know that God was planting His seed in me that took many years to sprout. At the time, nothing could convince me of a loving God. The whole time I was denying that God didn't exist nor thinking I would ever be repenting while I'm talking to believers, God was calling me, but I didn't have the slightest clue it was happening. I'm not disagreeing with your statement, just adding to it. Hope you don't mind.
Peace
Roy
Roy Martin:
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on December 24, 2009, 06:01:57 PM ---I think God lets conditions exist in the world that give meaning to the word sin. Why can't God create whatever He deems necessary in order to have a family of righteous sons and daughters? Just because sin exists does not mean that God puts sin in our hearts to commit. We know that God is Holy and that humanity is not.God cannot sin but He can and has created evil conditions so that sin can ultimately flourish. Satan comes to mind as one of His creations that was created for the explicit purpose to deceive and make mankind fall short[sin] of Gods glory.You would have to ask yourself if God created evil does that mean that He is evil? The carnal nature of mans heart is what commits sin because it was by design to facilitate an end purpose. Just because the Creator creates does not mean that he is being sinful in His creation.The evil choices that we commit are the reasons that sin exist. Remember God is Perfect and Perfection does not make mistakes[sin].
James 1:13
13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
Peace...Mark
--- End quote ---
Of course Mark, I agree. I'm to that point that I except that God created everything. God might not make us sin Himself, nor tempt us, nor is He evil or ever sinned or ever made a mistake, but He did create everything and gave life to everything. He built vessels with everything it takes to do his will and purpose. He doesn't tempt us, but He sends Satan to do it. This doesn't interest me much right now as to why it's this way with Satan doing the tempting. God knows what Hes doing. Its me that doesn't know most of the time what I'm doing. Someone put all the ingredient's in me that causes me to sin. If I did it then I should be able to take it away, but I can't, but I do pray daily asking God to give me a new heart and change me.
Peace
Roy
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---Someone put all the ingredient's in me that causes me to sin. If I did it then I should be able to take it away, but I can't, but I do pray daily asking God to give me a new heart and change me.
--- End quote ---
Roy,that someone is you. As a infant you did not learn of things until you were introduced to them. As you grew up and experienced the things of this world, that is when you had to make your own choices that would ultimately affect who and what you are or become.We all are accountable for the decisions that we make and our sweet Father knows this,because that is His way of doing it. Amen.
I look at this life that we live in of the flesh as no more than a proving ground for our eventual Spiritual conversion.God is the One who will bring all in line with what He needs to do in order to complete in His work,not only in this world, but more importantly, in the Spirit.The Fathers works in you will be how all come to the point of righteousness so as to become perfect children of The Most High. There is absolutely no way that we of ourselves can do the works which need to be done in ourselves,this can only come from God.
Pray to God and ask for what you seek with a earnest and loving heart and I can say with confidence that he will answer your prayers because of the works that He has already started in you. He will finish them,rest assured. All is of Him and for Him and to me that is reason enough to worship and rely on Him, and not of myself. My prayer for you Roy is that our Father in heaven gives you the patience and knowledge to come to an understanding of who and what He is and why we have to go through the things of this world in order that His plans of perfection can come to bloom.
All Praise and Glory to The Most High.
Peace...Mark
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