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Will We Ever 'See' the Father?
Stacey:
My thoughts on one of the verses mentioned from the excerpt.
1Tim 6:16 Who only has immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.
Who only has immortality - This is Jesus, he is the only mortal who has received immortality. He is the first.
dwelling in the light - This is telling us where Jesus is. He has immortality and he can and does dwell in the light, and the light is that..
which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see - this is speaking of the Father, He is the light that man/mortals cannot approach or see.
To me the ability to see or behold without dieing and dwell in the light or to completely be in the Father is part of the glory Jesus was referring to when he said,
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self (the light) with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
He wanted that back. To be able to once again dwell in the Father. If my thinking is right then when we receive immortality then we too will dwell/live in the light and see the Father the same way Jesus does.
Kat:
Hi Stacy,
--- Quote ---To me the ability to see or behold without dieing and dwell in the light or to completely be in the Father is part of the glory Jesus was referring to when he said,
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self (the light) with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
He wanted that back. To be able to once again dwell in the Father. If my thinking is right then when we receive immortality then we too will dwell/live in the light and see the Father the same way Jesus does.
--- End quote ---
Yes that the way it seems to me too. This Scripture in John seems to reflect that idea.
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the Only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
"In the bosom of the Father" what a great expression that is, in His bosom/embrace. Like you were saying, "when we receive immortality then we too will dwell/live in the light," that to me is His bosom.
To me it is such a comfort to look at it that way, much like when a mother holds/embraces her little child. A child wants to be right there in their mother's lap, all safe and secure, and those in the first resurrection will be all safe and secure in the Father's bosom/embrace.
Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child to Him and set him in their midst,
v. 3 and said, Truly I say to you, Unless you are converted and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven.
v. 4 Therefore whoever shall humble himself like this little child, this one is the greater in the kingdom of Heaven.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
daywalker:
--- Quote from: indianabob on June 30, 2011, 08:07:24 PM ---Daywalker,
re; God's form or no form?
My Greek/English has the following in Jn 5:37b.
"....Neither sound of him ever yet you have heard nor visible form of him you have seen"
It would seem that this wording does not necessarily prove that God utters sound or has a form that would be visible.
It just says that the reader or the person being spoken to has never heard God speak or seen God. It would include others as well.
Based on this section of scripture alone, I think the question is still unsatisfied.
The point of the text may be to discourage folks from thinking that God speaks to them audibly by vibrating the air as opposed to putting thoughts in their heart.
Also, consider maybe God communicates mind to mind in the full spiritual realm after we are changed.
Please comment, Indiana Bob
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Hey Bob, thanks for sharing the Greek/English translation. The phrases "yet you have heard" and "you have seen" still stick out to me, though I do agree with you that:
--- Quote ---Based on this section of scripture alone, I think the question is still unsatisfied.
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As we have all learned, only with "two or three witnesses" can a truth be known. Whether or not The Father has some type of "spirit form" that can be seen with the eyes of a "spirit body" remains, at this time, up to interpretation (not that having a "spirit form/body" would in any way limit The Father, since we know He is everywhere). There's clearly a lot we don't yet know...but it's nice to have people with which to discuss these things without starting a quarrel. ;)
Godspeed....Daywalker 8)
indianabob:
Hey Daywalker, much appreciated.
I'm 50 years older than you and retired so I have LOTS of time.
Plus my whole life is wrapped up in serving you brother. ::) ;D
Of course I don't know it all, so correction is expected.
However, please be gentle. Old people have brittle bones.
Indiana bob
daywalker:
LOL...I'll do my best :D
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