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Eve thought it was a good idea?
Gina:
Hi Hayley,
Destiny of Women:
--- Quote ---Men like to have their vanity stroked. They love praise and recognition. Women want power….did I lie?
--- End quote ---
Here's what I notice: Even in her deceived, weakened state, Eve wanted to share the thing that she believed would keep her from dying, w/ Adam -- she wasn't being selfish or stingy in that regard, as far as her eyes could see -- she was doing something good for the both of them; something that God, according to Satan's lie, wasn't willing to do for them.
But Adam was not deceived. But being deceived isn't a sin, but did Adam also sin before he took and did eat? Was he, in his weakened state with blinded eyes, of "purer heart" than Eve? That's what I want to know.
Ray said:
--- Quote ---Women hate that men take it for granted that they are far superior to women.
--- End quote ---
Not just superior but far superior to women.
(If Ray said it then it must be true and I won't let my pride or my own vanity get me all worked up over that.)
Till now it looks always like Adam was this perfect man with no sin in his heart before he ate of the fruit that Eve gave him. It looks like he was just this loving man who just went along with Eve because he loved her so much.
Since Adam wasn't deceived, then he knew it was wrong to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
He was obviously blind (then their eyes were OPENED and they saw that they were naked and promptly covered themselves up, lol), but he wasn't deceived to the lies of Satan. He knew there was no power in that tree that could make them as Gods. He knew that once she ate it she would surely die.
So what sin was in Adam's weak heart before he took and ate? Because I believe sin had to be in his heart in order for him to eat. What was his in? That he worshipped Eve, or that he wanted to have his vanity stroked and receive praise? Anybody know?
eagle:
Hello beautiful people
Allow me to have a go at this too.
On a physical level we can have fun, and say that it is obvious that it had to be the woman that was deceived, since women go all gaga and melt when a guy smooth talks them, and if that guy also has a deep booming voice, well forget about it, she is a goner. If you ladies right now,
in your mind, recall the voice of Barry White and listen to it for a second or two......., well there you go! , I rest my case. Science has actually shown that especially when a woman is ovulating she goes nuts when she hears a deep booming voice. Of course, speaking from experience here,
if that man says a wrong word, that egg gets sucked back up into the ovaries mighty fast.
I can almost hear some of you ladies say: ”d... right !
All this is of course fun and games ( till someone loses an eye.......then it´s just fun you can´t see )
But can I present a spiritual aspect to all this, the way I see it? Judge for yourselves.
--- Quote from: santgem on March 24, 2013, 12:53:21 AM ---
The question is:
Is there already a law that makes eve to sin before she did eat the fruit?
What makes eve to sin before she did eat the fruit?
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I believe you almost answered your own question.
Could ” the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” be a spiritual symbol of the law. Judge for yourselves:
We know from Ray/ Scriptures, that
1.
--- Quote ---Eve committed EVERY CATEGORY OF SIN THERE IS IN THE WORLD, before… BEFORE she actually ate of the forbidden fruit
--- End quote ---
2. "And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed." Gen 2:25
Now, is it good to be spiritually naked? I think not:
"I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." Rev 3:18
Is it good to not even be ashamed of being naked. Me thinks, it´s even worse.
But when they did eat:
"And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."
Gen 3:7
Well there´s a start, now at least they know they are naked.
So, if ” the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” is a symbol of the law,as I am suggesting, these verses may show you something:
For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:13
"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet."
Rom 7:7
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
Gen 2:17
"For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death "
Rom 7:5
"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."
Gal 3:24
Now back to the woman.
God´ word say this :
"So God created man( the hebrew word is Adam) in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
Gen. 1:27
So the physical male and the physical female is in this first Adam. All mankind is in first Adam.
But God´s Word also speaks of the last Adam:
"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." 1 Ko 15:45
So there is something,but certainly not everything ( "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive"), about the first Adam, that is a picture/symbol of the last Adam.
With that in mind, what do you suppose these verses are talking about:
"For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 1 Tim 2:13-14
No way am I gonna tell you :), because teaching is not allowed on this forum, and I totally respect that ( phew!! that was actually a struggle to say, nevertheless I just did), but like Ray said so many times: ” Pay attention to all the words”
On a personal note, I will later today write a post in the topic ” Did God forsake His Son at the last moments” that I wholeheartedly believe is a message from The Lord.....I know, I know, take a deep breath :). I believe that message not only answers why Jesus said”
"Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
but more importantly, it will glorify Jesus in your hearts.
Stay tuned 8)
Gina:
Eagle:
--- Quote ---On a physical level we can have fun, and say that it is obvious that it had to be the woman that was deceived, since women go all gaga and melt when a guy smooth talks them, and if that guy also has a deep booming voice, well forget about it, she is a goner. If you ladies right now, in your mind, recall the voice of Barry White and listen to it for a second or two......., well there you go! , I rest my case. Science has actually shown that especially when a woman is ovulating she goes nuts when she hears a deep booming voice. Of course, speaking from experience here, if that man says a wrong word, that egg gets sucked back up into the ovaries mighty fast. I can almost hear some of you ladies say: ”d... right ! All this is of course fun and games ( till someone loses an eye.......then it´s just fun you can´t see )
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Eagle, Did the study include hearing impaired women?
The scriptures are clear on the matter.
They were both already dying. And they knew it. That must have scared the living daylights out of both of them.
Romans 5:12: Just as sin entered the world through ONE MAN (not through one woman), and death resulted from sin, therefore everyone dies, because everyone has sinned.
Sin was in the world before Eve because there was death and decay (remember the soil -- and what it's made up of -- dead, organic material like, trees, plants, herbs, bugs, and animals)?
I don't believe Eve was the first to sin. I believe it was Adam - just as the Scriptuers say that sin entered the world through ONE MAN. (This isn't to start a war of the sexes -- I mean who cares who was first? We have to forgive others' their trespasses, otherwise God won't forgive our trespasses--it's as simple as that) Why? Because Adam was carnal/fleshly - with a carnal mind. His mind was no more on the things of God than was Eve's, and how do we know that for sure? Because he was alone and there was no helpmeet suitable for him, and it wasn't good, until Eve came along. He was all about needing a helpmeet because His spiritual Father just wasn't satisfying to him.
The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. (Rom. 8:7)
Adam was fleshly and carnally minded.
Just like Adam thought he found heaven when he laid eyes on Eve (after God made Adam hunger for a helpmeet -- even though she was seriously lacking considering she came from out from carnal man) but didn't, Eve thought she found the keys to life after Satan turned her eyes toward the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
And God saves all in the end and makes us all satisifed with heavenly riches. And blah, blah, blah.
My two (lacking) cents.
eagle:
Hello Shorty
The part of my post you quoted was all meant as a joke, absolutely nothing spiritual about it :), hence my expression " On a physical level we can have fun.....", albeit not funny at all.
Gina:
I really need to work on my e-sarcasm.
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