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Kat:
Hi Arcturus,
I don't think I made myself very clear in what I have said ::)
I Do 'not' believe that the white throne judgment is now. I believe it will take place at His appearing, which will be an actual event in the future. Which is His literal return to the earth the rule and reign.
What I was trying to say by, "maybe the white throne judgment happen before Christ actually reaches the earth." Was that as soon as He appears or while still in the sky, He then has the white throne judgment, before He actually comes down to the earth. I was thinking that the white throne judgment as rather quick, maybe in a literal day. It's the actual judging that is a process that takes time.
I do understand that judgment is now on the house of God and not the rest of the world. The Elect are being prepared now through this judging to be in the first resurrection.
So could the first resurrection be in the white throne judgment, but it would happen 'first' and it would not be to condemnation, but for the Elect to inherit the kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world. That would be the marriage supper of the Lamb.
Then the rest of mankind would be judged and condemned and this white throne judgment and cast into the Lake of fire. Then their judging would begin on the earth over a period of time as a purging and cleansing process, to rid them of all unrighteous. But I was thinking this would happen maybe later on the same literal day as the first resurrection, the white throne judgment would be one event that had things happen in order. First the resurrection of the Elect to life in the kingdom, then the resurrection of the dead to condemnation.
John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
v. 29 and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
The way I was thinking, is that the white throne judgment is the beginning of the day of the Lord, which will take an age to bring righteousness to all mankind.
Ray said at the last Mobile conference that the 1000 years was a symbol for something. So it is not literally a 1000 year period of time. But I was thinking it is the period of time it takes a person to be brought into the kingdom during Christ's rule. So it would be a different period of time for everybody. And after all are in the kingdom, then "all in all."
That's what I was thinking, it's hard to put all these kinds of thoughts into words.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Truth101:
Im following kat,
I have although one problem. This thousand years seems to me to actually be 1000 years. We understand that a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day and since no one can put a finger on any symbolism it seems as though (to me anyway) this period of time may just as well be exactly what it says. The day OF the LORD, if a day is as a thousand years than that just makes sense.
I hate to kick a dead horse but I cant think of anything else that this 1000 years could mean symbolically or what kind of use there would be to symbolize it? But then again all I have is my human mind and God may have just not revealed it to us YET.
I pray the Lord opens our understanding and gives us clarity according to His will. Without Him we can only speculate. I speculated for 25 years im quite drained by it ;).
God bless,
Dave
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Kat
You say :
--- Quote ---it's hard to put all these kinds of thoughts into words.
--- End quote ---
It can also for me be quite an experience to see what I think when I write down what I am thinking ;D
It is most clear in my mind also that as you observe :
--- Quote ---judgment is now on the house of God and not the rest of the world. The Elect are being prepared now through this judging to be in the first resurrection.
--- End quote ---
You also say
--- Quote ---as soon as He appears or while still in the sky, He then has the white throne judgment, before He actually comes down to the earth.
--- End quote ---
I agree with this line of thinking which also makes sense to me too because no where do the Scriptures say when the White Throne begins either when Christ is returned to the earth or on His way with His Elect to the Earth. Christ is not yet on the earth when His Elect meet Him in the air and then with Him they return to the earth. 1 Thes 4 : 17 ..we, the living ones who remain on the earth, shall simultaneously be caught up along with the resurrected dead in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air....
I am intrigued that you say
--- Quote ---I was thinking that the white throne judgment as rather quick, maybe in a literal day. It's the actual judging that is a process that takes time.
--- End quote ---
That is a new thought! Is the White Throne Judgment different from the process of correction? Like you recieve the sentence or verdict and then the time out for correction begins? I do not know.
I shall for now take comfort in the fact that God's Elect are not reserved for His Wrath which I believe will be metered out in the LOF process that will be under the auspices of the White Throne Judgment second death no matter how long it will take. :)
Thank you for your thoughts Kat.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
musicman:
In reference to the separation of the goats from the sheep: Could this be speaking only of the second resurection? Could some not in the first resurection be saved right at the second resurection? It doesn't refer to the sheep here as the saints. Any thoughts?
Deborah-Leigh:
Whew! That is going too deep for me Musicman.
Second resurrection? For me there is only one resurrection in which first those who are in Christ, they are first to rise and then the sequence goes to the others who are raised from death to life afterwards or as in secondly. So why would those who are raised in the first resurrection as in first in the line of the resurrection, then have to go to second place to be saved? I can not figure that one out! ;D
As for sheep and saints, I think it is one and the same. Quote from http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3849.0.html
1. Many are called, few are chosen. Do you know what all the parables are about? All of them, every one of them. Do you know what they are about? Many are called, few of chosen. That’s what they are all about. Are you getting it? Every parable is about many called, few chosen.
2. The Pharisee and the Tax Collector. Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and one a tax collector. And the one prayed inside of himself thus, “I thank you Lord that I’m not like one of those, dare I say it, this tax collector over here, this sinner, this piece of garbage. I fast twice a week, I tithe all that I have…and this and that…. That’s what every parable is about: the Pharisee and the tax collector! This is heavy stuff!
3. The Wise Virgins and the Foolish Virgins. Same thing.
4. The Lost Sheep and the 99
5. The Old Cloth on the New Cloth
6. The Wheat and the Tares
7. The Carnal Mind and the Mind of Christ
8. Judge Now, Judge Later
9. Physical Israel, Spiritual Israel
10. The First Adam, The Second Adam
11. Heart of Stone, Heart of Flesh
12. First the Shadow, Then the Reality
13. The True Gospel, Another Gospel
14. Image of the Earthly, Image of the Heavenly
15. The Tree of Good and Evil, Two: the Pharisee, the tax collector…You get it? The whole Bible!
16. Cain and Abel The Pharisee and the tax collector!
17. Some was sown in the good soil, and some was sown in the stony places
18. Seed of the Woman, Seed of Satan
19. Joseph and Joseph’s brothers
20. Sarah and Hagar
21. The Shadow and The Reality
22. The Law of Sin and Death, and the Law of the Spirit of Christ
23. The Rich Man and Poor Lazarus
24. The Faithful Servant, The Evil Servant
25. The Elder Son, The Prodigal Son
26. The Old Wine Skins, The New Wine Skins
27. The House on the Sand, The House on the Rock. It’s all the same thing.
28. Eonian Chastisement, Eonian Life
29. First the Physical, Then the Spiritual
30. The Old Covenant, The New Covenant
31. The Carnal Law of Moses, The Spiritual Law of God
32. Physical Blessings, Spiritual Blessings
33. Temporary Blessings, Eternal Blessings
34. First Resurrection, Second Resurrection
35. The Image of Man, The Image of God
Are you getting it? It’s all ONE. God is ONE. His message is ONE.
Thanks for your contribution Musicman!
Peace be to you brother
Arcturus :)
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