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Carlos31:
well water does not make one spiritual, that's why that verse CANNOT say "water AND spirit" that is spiritually not correct.

Carlos31:
therefore: for that reason or cause; consequently or hence

Carlos31:
"Usually when one uses 'therefore' the 2nd object is the result of the action of the 1st object."

well perhaps it is that the OLD things are shadow of the new things.

I don't know which translation is better. but it cannot be the word AND.

E. Woods:

--- Quote from: Carlos31 on December 13, 2008, 09:41:28 AM ---I was reading a scripture, I believe John 3:5, it says to be reborn out of water AND Spirit, to enter into the kingdom of God.

born out of water? I believe water represents spirit, but there is the word "AND".

whats the meaning of this?

/quote]

   Could it be that born of water could mean, the natural birth, when the mother is ready to give
birth, the water breaks,   It looks like that is what Nicodemus thought in v.3.
and Jesus said in v.6 that which is born of flesh is flesh.

    Earl
--- End quote ---

Kat:

Hi Earl,

I think you might be right.  Nicobemus came to Jesus and this is what He said to him.

John 3:3  Jesus answered and said to him, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;'

Nicodemus did not understand what Jesus was saying about being "born" and he questioned Jesus about this.

John 3:4  Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Nicodemus was thinking about being physically born, but Jesus was talking about spiritually.

John 3:5  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

All translations have "and," but I think the point Jesus was making was that the first time one is physically born (which Nicodemus was thinking of) was in the womb - in water.  The next verse indicates that is what Jesus is speaking of the two different ways that someone is born.

John 3:6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh (water); and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Then Jesus goes on to say one "must be born again" or a second time spiritually, as the first was through water or physically.  

John 3:7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

This was what the discussion between Nicodemus and Christ was all about the two ways to be born.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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