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 21 
 on: December 13, 2018, 06:08:53 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Musterseed
Maybe this will help Porter, I just finished reading it .
From one of Rays emails posted by Arc.   # 108 Strange Visit

God frames evil, you know what it is when you put a frame around something. You know,
Frame it. He frames evil so it won’t go totally out of control. What appears to be totally out of control today in the world, is actually framed. God knows how far it’s going , nothing is out of control.
I know that God, at the flick of a switch can expand that frame at anytime if I get to sure of myself. Yet, He is saying,,Quote “ You see, you’ve only experienced life from your perspective.
And that’s not enough. Now, if you’re going to be a king and rule the world under Christ,
you’ve got to have a broader perspective of everything and everybody.”

This post was about suffering. I agree with you about this being a parable for the elect,
the few chosen . Is not the whole bible ia giant parable as Ray said, for the admonition of
the called and chosen, or am I not understanding correctly. It is Spiritually decerned by
those whom God chooses to be reigning with Him , yes?


Those are awesome scriptures Porter.

1Corth. 2:9
But as it is written, eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart
of man. The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.

Eventually, everybody will love Him.    In Christ, Pamela







 22 
 on: December 13, 2018, 06:01:10 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by Wanda
Good point Bob. What could possibly go wrong  by going against God's direct purpose for man.

Another point can be made for this depravity, when you consider these crimes against children happen in all religions where abstinence is not a requirement. The courts are filled with such cases. What would be the cause of such behavior in those situations?

What was surprising about this for me, is the fact the perpetrator was in a high ranking position and he was convicted in spite of it. No bribery, payoff or coverups, which has been the customary norm, could escape what God has brought into the light for his judgment. I'm seeing more and more things being revealed that were once controlled,  protected and hidden by powers of this world. What an interesting time it is to be alive.


 23 
 on: December 13, 2018, 04:36:22 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Porter

Please forgive the incoming wall of text.

This is where I believe I have seen these scriptures, Dave. There seems to be a deep meaning revealed? What do you think?

Matthew 24:21-22 Modern English Version (MEV)
21 For then will be great tribulation, such as has not happened since the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
22 Unless those days were shortened, no one would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mark 13:19-20 Modern English Version (MEV)
19 For in those days there will be distress as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created to this time, nor ever shall be.
20 “Except the Lord shortened the days, no flesh would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.

Remembering Christ's words are spirit, I can't help but to think that this is a parable of the "few chosen".

Joh_16:33  These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

1Th 3:3  That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.
1Th 3:4  For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. 

If I was an Elect, how merciful of Him would it be if He shortened the days of MY "great tribulation"? I believe the tribulation of the Saints is related to judgment, because it teaches Godly character. Judgment through tribulation is training.

Rom 5:3  And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Rom 5:4  And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Some would say it's always been this bad, and even worse at other times in history, but when God opens your eyes, it's not only to spiritual truth and it becomes impossible to doubt that the decay of morality is at an all time high, as well as declining rapidly. I can see an escalation of decline as a daily norm at this point and conditions in the world are like a run away train   with no hope of rescue, but seeing Gods plan at work is the hope of assured rescue.
I can attest to this.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the birth pains Jesus talks about.

Mar 13:8  because nation will rise up in arms against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes and famines in various places. These things are only the beginning of the birth pains.

1Th 5:3  When people say, "There is peace and security," destruction will strike them as suddenly as labor pains come to a pregnant woman, and they will not be able to escape.

Joh 16:21  When a woman is in labor she has pain, because her time has come. Yet when she has given birth to her child, she doesn't remember the agony anymore because of the joy of having brought a human being into the world. 



There is nothing new under the sun. Disasters and bad behavior have always been with us.

I like this guy's take on natural disasters despite the fact he doesn't understand that ultimately all is of God. I mean, we are where we are because of God right?

Anyhow, here's a link and a couple points that he made which got me thinking. Tell me what you think.

https://www.iflscience.com/environment/are-natural-disasters-rise/

Potentially hazardous events do not need to end in a disaster. Disasters occur because of the intersection of hazard with exposed people and assets that are vulnerable to the hazard. They are characterised by a lack of resilience and poor capacity to cope and respond in the affected area. Without vulnerability there can be no disaster.

For me, disasters are a social construct and are about people. I make no apologies for taking such an anthropocentric view.

The big question is does this trend represent a statistical change in the physical occurrence of natural disasters or an increasingly vulnerable global population (or both)?

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Are people really getting worse? Or is there just more people? If torturing someone is one of the worst things you can do, well then that has been around for thousands of years. Sad I know, but true.

I'm pretty sure your Scriptural quotes are parables also. A woman giving birth is often used in Scripture to represent a Church birthing like children.

Rom 8:19  For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20  For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21  Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22  For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

It's always about the "many called" or the "few chosen" and depending on which you are or what you believe, your "mother" will either be the bondmaid or freewoman.

Gal 4:22  For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23  But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24  Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25  For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27  For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children (many called) than she which hath an husband (few chosen).

Earthquakes, famines, disasters, nations and kingdoms fighting wars, these things have always been with us in a literal sense, so I'm not so sure that these words of Christ and His Apostles are teaching us about literal things. These "events" have got to be happening in the realm or heaven of my heart and mind.

It feels like a literal war sometimes where everything I was is crumbling and falling apart and I'm just screaming NO, STOP IT LEAVE ME ALONE! I'm such a terrible sinner. Who will save me?

Rom 7:23  But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24  O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Rev 12:7  And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8  And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Sorry for going on like this, but spiritually speaking, it's been rough. I don't know ( I really don't) if God is saving me, but if He is then Ray wasn't lying when he said it would be the hardest thing I will ever do. This on top of some of the most disgusting physical ailments I must endure, makes me wish I were dead.

One thing I think about a lot is that if He is not saving me at this time and I find myself in the resurrection to judgment, what could I possibly say? Talk about being between a rock and a hard place. I would have no excuse.

Sorry for the wall of text and going off topic a bit there, but it seemed like what I said was related to "end times prophecies" and what I perceive to be a major upheaval in my life, physically and possibly spiritually. Maybe I'm looking for some confirmation or even a little encouragement, I don't know. My house built on sand in the wilderness is falling greatly and I can't say I like it. Feels like the end times for sure lol.

 24 
 on: December 12, 2018, 11:23:05 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by indianabob
The creator told Adam to go out and subdue the earth and to multiply and FILL the earth with descendants as fast as he could.
That a religious organization would promote men of faith, virile males after all, and tell them to stop being male and stop desiring sex and desiring progeny is certainly a mistake of a grand scale. It just stands to reason and logic that the candidates had to lie when taking their vows of ordination. Plus the fact that one doesn't even need a Bible to know that the whole idea of celibacy is stupid. How can leaders in the "church" be a living example to young couples without having a family of their own?

 25 
 on: December 12, 2018, 11:08:14 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by indianabob
Hi Wanda,

We have similar understanding.
O. K. but after the great war who will remain alive and mortal to be governed?
Will there be a remnant?
I'm sure that the world's banks will be kaput and their leaders removed,
but if all the means of business and production of food is gone how will people survive?

Inquiring minds would like to know...

 26 
 on: December 12, 2018, 04:52:04 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Wanda
Hi Wanda,

Seems to me that the end of this age culminates in the destruction of the rule of man to be replaced with the rule of Lord Jesus for God. A transfer of power through removal of evil men and evil spirit and the beginning of a time of peace and fruitfulness.

Hello Bob!

This is my understanding as well.

 27 
 on: December 12, 2018, 04:47:56 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by Wanda
Cardinal George Pell, the Vatican’s third most powerful official, was found guilty on Tuesday of sexually abusing two choir boys in the late 1990s, a decision that makes him the highest-ranking Catholic Church official to face criminal convictions.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inquisitr.com/5205914/cardinal-george-pell-convicted-of-sexually-abusing-choir-boys/amp/

 28 
 on: December 12, 2018, 02:15:25 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Tim Krantz
    Ineresting article in Nat"l Geographic on the largest earthquake ever recorded that noone felt Nov 11 . The link https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2018/11/strange-earthquake-waves-rippled-around-world-earth-geology/       Also Theh "Old Faithful" geyser spuwed a reord height spew yesterday.     PS I tried to post this in a new topic, but couldn't find a new topic  button anywhere. My eysight is not the best, so I use enhanced   colors.                                                                                                                                                 

 29 
 on: December 12, 2018, 12:56:08 AM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by indianabob
Hi Wanda,

Seems to me that the end of this age culminates in the destruction of the rule of man to be replaced with the rule of Lord Jesus for God. A transfer of power through removal of evil men and evil spirit and the beginning of a time of peace and fruitfulness.

 30 
 on: December 11, 2018, 06:17:00 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Wanda
Quote
was thinking of this like a pregnancy. Sure, destruction and pain have always existed, but now it is increasing exponentially. The closer you get to the birthing of a child, the more and increasing pain there is.

Yes, but child birth does not culminate in total destruction, does it? I don't believe the end of this age does either.

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