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 on: March 16, 2019, 12:58:40 AM 
Started by Rhys - Last post by Rhys
How is your wife in all this?

She is fine, feeling the same as me

 on: March 16, 2019, 12:42:19 AM 
Started by ML - Last post by indianabob
Friend Dave in Tenn,

Thanks for sharing your heart, much appreciated and helpful to understand the inner man a little better.
I have a couple of items from my heart also. Things that I cannot prove, but have come to understand from reading the whole Bible.

re: we who seem to believe:
 I don't think we need to be equipped or well prepared for the work ahead. That to me is the difference with gentiles compared to Israelites in the law.
Paul called folks in whom the spirit of God already dwelt, compared to Jews who grew up with the expectation of a calling when Lord Jesus returned as promised.
When Paul taught his gospel to gentiles only those whom God had drawn to Himself with an earnest of His spirit were able to respond and follow through.
There were no pre-qualifications as far as they knew. just a growing belief in what they were hearing.
Of course once they were imbued with God's spirit and heard the "word" preached they were expected to grow in grace and knowledge.
If that is possibly correct, then it seems to follow that God is able to finish the work of equipping us to do what is required in the Kingdom through His own power, either instantly or in a very short time once we have spirit existence and perfect, complete spirit minds and attitudes.

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Of course there is always room  for improvement and coming to understand the "meat" of God's work and not to be stuck rehearsing the "milk" of God's word continually.
But all do not have the gifts that would make them leaders and yet God will include them because God has chosen them before hand to show His great power.
In the end it is not so much about knowledge or accomplishments, even with God doing the work in us. It is mostly about acquiring the gift of humility and trust in God.
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In Luke 7:28: “For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”  He ministered in the transition period as he was the one privileged to introduce Israel’s Messiah to the people. Yet Jesus says everyone who serves will be greater than John.

Look at Paul’s attitude, as an apostle: “For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”(1 Cor.15:9).

If one humbles himself and is willing to be a servant to others they will be considered great in the kingdom.

 on: March 15, 2019, 09:43:15 PM 
Started by ML - Last post by Dave in Tenn
Been thinking about this much of the day, and want to share a bit of my heart.  Take it for what it's worth, and not for "doctrine".

You said, "It seems especially that those who come to believe UR are especially pulled into these doctrines."  To me, this is part of the reason why I don't think the "end" is extremely close.  I don't believe this generation of "believers in the Name of the Son of God" are yet equipped for the work we are being raised for.  And I think it's for the same reason Paul wrote to the Corinthians--because we are yet carnal.  "We" seem to be more interested in theories and prognostications and dry theology and less interested in obeying the Gospel.  I don't have a passive disinterest in eschatology.  I have more an active aversion to it.  I don't know for sure, but that seems likely to last until I die.  Yet, I love His appearing.  Make of that what you will.

I think in my heart that "the end" is going to be quite a bit different than what most imagine.  He has warned me off of my own "wrath" and exercising my own "vengeance", and the reasons for that are in the same statements telling me what not to do.  At the very least, His wrath and indignation are of a greater degree and efficacy than mine, but I can't help but believe they are also of a different character.  I've studied the "word", and it's pretty telling what it really means.  I don't doubt His power or wisdom, but when I look at the commandments He's given to His disciples, the parables, even the example of the sword-wielding Peter in the Garden, I think His ways are going to be proven to be beyond our ways, and His thoughts beyond our thoughts. 

As a practical person believing in the salvation of all, I want to know what works.  And so far, I am just beginning to see it...largely because it hasn't completely worked in me yet.  If the last are going to be first, then perhaps the last need to be better attuned to the Spiritual ways of God than this generation is.  He will complete what He started, and there is a place prepared for us all, but He is the Lord.

I don't know "when" any more than anybody else.  The same "place" that produces (even demands) that humility is the same "place" that allows me the boldness to say that nobody else does either.  I don't claim to be "right", but I'd rather think on these things than play with my Bible.



 on: March 15, 2019, 09:12:31 PM 
Started by Rhys - Last post by Dave in Tenn
How is your wife in all this?

 on: March 15, 2019, 05:41:49 PM 
Started by Rhys - Last post by Wanda
Oh my Rhys,  how terribly sad.

 on: March 15, 2019, 05:30:43 PM 
Started by Rhys - Last post by Rhys
A sad day here in New Zealand with shooting in 2 mosques in Christchurch with 49 dead and 42 in hospital ☹️


 on: March 15, 2019, 09:28:05 AM 
Started by ML - Last post by Dennis Vogel
Do James and Paul Contradict? Parts one and two:

 on: March 15, 2019, 09:13:26 AM 
Started by ML - Last post by Dave in Tenn
Some are just enamored with "theology" to the point that they can't read scripture except to see it as a theological treatise.

Ray's most thorough direct teaching on the subject is here:

But that carries through to many of the other papers, etc.  I'm glad I didn't "come to believe UR", but to believe in Jesus.  Paul's "conversion" is as a pattern that I did not set out to follow, but happened just the same.

 on: March 15, 2019, 03:39:38 AM 
Started by ML - Last post by Prune Soleiado
Hello ML 👋

1 Corinthians 3:4-6:
« For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings?
What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task.
I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but GOD has been making it grow. »

Whatever they believe, God makes them believe this.
But whoever is given an ear to hear and an eye to recognize the Word Of God, JESUS, won’t follow those false doctrines and prophets.

God Our Father be glorified 🙏

 on: March 14, 2019, 11:27:18 PM 
Started by ML - Last post by ML
I disagree with the 2 "Gospel" doctrine, but interesting to note. Some say only listen to Jesus and throw out Paul, some say only listen to Paul and throw out Jesus, or say for some reason Jesus doesn't apply to us. A lot of focus on that physical aspect, instead of being one in the body of Christ.

It seems especially that those who come to believe UR are especially pulled into these doctrines.

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