Hi Ray Rob here again.
Was wondering if I could get your views on a few difficult scriptures, and what you believe the holy spirit is saying.
1) The outer darkness and its place spoken in Jude 1:6-7
Where do you think it is and does it have any relevance to humans?
2)The spirits in prison spoken about in 1 Peter 3:19
Can you explain this place and is it before Jesus death (after)?
3)The second death in revelation 20:14
Is this the death of the unrepented unsaved souls, after the white throne judgement?
Also whats your standing about an immortal soul I dont see any scripture to believe there is.
Only God is immortal (1tim 1:17)
Seems to be this strange teaching around about an immortal soul. Propbably to back up there eternal hellfire
punishment..... Of course its very subtle but its there has to be, otherwise God couldn't punish you forever.
God bless Rob
Dear Rob: First, I have already written pretty extensively on "the second death" in my "Lake of Fire"
series. Also I have given a technical/Scriptural study on the immortal soul heresy in my "Lake of Fire"
series, Installment 16, titled: "Hades and the Second Death." I am not sure how you missed that? I
had plans to start another Installment in my Lake of Fire series, which would have included such
phrases as "outer darkness," etc., but my health got too bad to continue that Installment. I have
since worked an entire year on my paper: "Hell is a Christian Hoax," which I believe to be a paper of
paramount importance. There is a host of Scriptures in the same category of I Pet. 3:19, II Peter 2:4,
etc., that needs to be dealt with as a whole, but which I just have not considered a priority at this time
Truth is, Rob, I don't have the time or energy to write back to nearly four thousand people just to tell
them that I don't have the time to write back to them with answers to their questions. If I live long
enough, I will get to most of these remaining subjects. In the mean time, keep studying the material
I have already written. Hope you understand.
God be with you,
Ray
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Thank you. I checked it out and there's some good stuff there.
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Glad to hear your niece is doing better, Pamela. You two are so blessed to have each other to study and discuss the truths we've learned here.
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Hi Nick, the only explanation that I can think of is that Jesus wasn't dead when He made the proclamations. The translation you are using states it was after Jesus was made alive in the spirit that He made the proclamation.
If you do a search with the term “spirits in prison” on this forum, you'll find many a good discussion over the years on the verses in question. |
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Hi everyone. I'm reading through Ray's paper on Lazarus and the rich man. He's emphatic that "sleep" or "sleeping" is an accurate and biblical description of death, as in the dead are not conscious. He uses lots of texts to support this, but how can it be that if there is no consciousness in death, then how could Christ have made proclamation to the "imprisoned spirits" of 1 Peter 3:19-20?
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,[d] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, I'm not trying to start a fight or prove ray a liar or anything like that. I've been deeply troubled by the threat of hell for decades now and I'm testing Ray's theses against the claims of some of the most hardline hellfire and brimstone preachers out there and I want to make sure I have everything locked down. Thanks. |
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I have been listening to the recently posted Two Judgements by Fire. It is interesting to hear (and somewhat in Ray’s voice) what I have read before. There is and was always SO MUCH in Ray’s inspired writings.
It got me to thinking. The first “period” of judgement by fire for those that God called and chose will last, at a minimum, for 2,000 years. And of course it could be more than that even though most people believe that we must be at or very close to the time of Christ’s return in great Glory. From the reception of the Holy Spirt after Christ’s death until at least now is around 2,000 years. That time that “judgement must begin for the House of God”. So over that 2,000 year period those called and chosen have lived, or are living, a life of overcoming with trials, persecutions, and difficulties, but through the Grace (remember Divine intervention in our minds/hearts) of God have, or will, overcome this flesh and this fleshly existence. 2,000 years. So, is it out of the realm of possibility that the White Throne Judgement (period, yom, age, time) will last at a minimum for the same or more thousands of years? My intuition says, yes, it is possible…maybe even probable. Historians believe it is probable that there have been in excess of 100 billion people born since the beginning. 100 billion! Wow. 100 billion that will have to live for some period of time in a physical, fleshly existence in order to be changed by God’s Fire (Christ) into perfect sons and daughters of God….just as were/is those in the first period of judgement by Fire! Think of the logistics of 100 billion people living a physical life for a long enough period of time to fully overcome their beastly selves. Hard to imagine that happening in a “day”, as I believe that most Christian teachers believe. I just don’t see it that way. I see it taking a very long time. Not necessarily a long time for an individual to be changed….but a long time to finish the judgement for the huge multitude of humankind (not to mention the angelic beings and I have absolutely no thoughts on that one!). I mean look how long it takes for us to labor at overcoming in this age! Will it be easier in the White Throne Judgement….maybe because Satan will be bound and all mankind will see and know Christ and His Saints. But it still won’t be “easy” in the way we think of easy. |
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Thank you Octoberose.
Also a big hug and thanks to Dennis for his help and support. God Bless You.💕 |
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I’m so grateful all of you were kept safe in the midst of that wreck !
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I am so grateful for you all . Thank you for your prayers.
Erica is doing a little better and hopefully will continue to Improve. She is 41 with special needs and her case is severe as was her brothers who took his own life at 40. My sister has been given the gift of faith to believe in the resurrection. We talk almost every day about Our Lord and the scriptures. She Understands Gods plan for humanity, the beast, Babylon and we are studying free will, God being Sovereign etc. They have planned to come here for a month in July, God willing Erica will be able to travel.. God Bless you all . I love you.💕 PS…. My husband and I were in a car crash. Only by the grace of God no one was hurt. The car that hit us was small , but it hit our truck so hard that it spun us around in the opposite direction. The front of the young ladies car is smashed like an accordion but she did not have a scratch on her. Thank God. Bless His holy name. |
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