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 on: Yesterday at 08:37:12 PM 
Started by Doug - Last post by indianabob
thanks Pamela,
Very important principle to understand.
We cannot mix or blend the Old covenant of works of the law with the New covenant of grace. We must, as God instructs, operate in one or the other.
One reason for this in my view is that when we mix them we tend to believe that it is our "acceptance" of the gift of the spirit of God in our lives that makes a difference. Therefore taking some credit for a decision on our part when actually the miracle that has brought us into faith or belief was 100% God through his son the Lord Jesus.

Moderators; please correct my phrasing where needed.
Indiana Bob

 on: Yesterday at 08:14:30 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Wanda
Thanks for your reply Dean.

Yes, I do understand Nineveh was judged later, for not abiding by the laws of slavery, based on biblical law. (Ex. 21:2, 20, 21, 26, 27, etc.).
I think we also must consider, God always  operates under laws of his devine rule. To suggest he kills innocent people not related to a crime, is contrary to his own devine laws of justice. Otherwise, he would be calling into question his own Righteousness.

There is no doubt that under the Old Covenant Canaan was the Promised Land and the inheritance of Israel, but it was not the final fulfillment of the promises of God. What God did in Canaan was only an early pattern of what God intended for the whole world.

What I see throughtout the OT, all of the men of faith sought better promises than what the old land of Canaan had to offer. Was that not the nature of their faith?  Like Abraham, who was a model of faith,  they were all foreigners, even in their own land. Canaan was only a type that served as a temporary inheritance until that which was better would come.

Hebrews 11:

9 By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise.10 For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God.

13 All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. 14 For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own.

15 And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return.

16 But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

If these men of faith considered this physicall land of little importance,  why should we consider it important?

From my understanding, the main difference is that while Canaan was conquered by a physical sword under the Old Covenant, the world is to be conquered by a Sword of the Spirit under the New Covenent,.  I believe that would include the  land promised and those living on it today.


 on: October 17, 2019, 09:02:29 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by AwesomeSavior
Hi Wanda:

Thanks for your questions. You asked, "Should we apply how God dealt and interacted with his chosen people of that period of history, to the way God is dealing with man today, under the New Covenant of grace, or to anything that is contrary to his reasoning and purpose?"

Well, of course I don't need to go into any detail of how God is dealing with his chosen spiritual people today, in his fiery grace and love in this age. Everyone who is an Elect knows that answer.

However, for the purpose of this thread entitled End Time Prophecies, my basis for making a connection between natural Israel and "this land dispute" is based on many different Scriptures, from both the Old and New Testament, and my belief that God is faithful to all His promises, originally made to Abram, regarding land ownership. Here are a couple of verses which you can reference regarding this old covenant: Genesis 12:7 and Genesis 15:18.

Going to the New Testament, I simply reference Romans 9:1-5, and various verses scattered throughout Romans 11, such as verses 1;2;11;12;14;15 and others.
Paul makes it clear that they are still Israelites, but obviously they are NOT SPIRITUAL Israelites, right? A SPIRITUAL Israelite is an Elect.

Put simply, my belief is that God is enforcing his original covenant with Abram and his seed, which is that the land from the Nile to the Euphrates (Genesis 15:18) belongs to them, and therefore anyone who messes with that covenant is playing with fire, so to speak. And this is why I am carefully watching what is happening in the news.

Regarding ancient Nineveh... God did have mercy on them with the prophet Jonah. Supposedly Jonah spent the rest of his life there, but I read a story a few years ago that ISIS had found his burial shrine in Nineveh and other artifacts, which are located in modern day Iraq, and blew them up for its idolatry.

However, regarding the mercy that was shown to the city, that was not the end of the story for Nineveh. If you read the entire three chapters of the book of Nahum, you will see that God eventually destroyed that whole city in His wrath for its violent dealings and arrogance. That city was occupied by the ancient Assyrians in the last few decades of its existence, who some consider the modern day version of terrorists like ISIS, due to their barbaric cruelty. It's not a pretty picture, and you can see that the wrath of God will be poured out on Nineveh as you read those chapters in Nahum. It was eventually destroyed in 612 B.C. by the Medes and Chaldeans, and its ruins were not discovered until the 1800's. They were "hid", as alluded to in Nahum 3:11.

By the way, there is a minor tropical storm developing in the Gulf of Mexico, but this one shouldn't be too bad.  ;)


 on: October 17, 2019, 06:22:14 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Musterseed
I read in The Scientific Case Against Evolution

Yet the transition from spineless invertebrates to the first backboned fishes
is still shrouded in mystery, and many theories abound.

This sounds like a parable of Our Lord. 😂😂😂

Our God is so awesomely GREAT.
In Christ , Pamela

 on: October 17, 2019, 06:13:39 PM 
Started by Doug - Last post by Wanda

When my nephew went to jail I didnt know God as I do today and ignorantly believed, it had been an effective deterrent. I now know it was only by God's will he didn't return to drugs once he was released. Other experiences of helping ex-offenders, who spent many years locked up, and returned to drugs,  was proof enough to me, locking people up doesn't work.

Seaofglass, and Dave, both your comments are timely for me.  Recently I was meditating on the importance of developing a Christ like love for others. I focused my attention on what being no part of the world really means in our lives. Yes, we are not suppose to do as the world does, but there seemed to be something more I was missing.  It then occured to me,  perhaps it extends to our not even concerning ourselves  with what the world is doing. Maybe that's the secret to developing a Christ like love for others. 

I can't remember where I saw this, but saved it as a daily reminder.

You were created in the image of God, who is love and full of grace. What might happen if you started believing this?

What I find both helpful and necessary, is to focus my attention on all things that glorify God.

As someone thinks within himself, so he is.

Proverbs 23:7

Whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable — if anything is excellent or praiseworthy — think about such things.

Philippians 4:8

We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

2 Corinthians 10:5

Take every thought captive. What a great idea. But is it even possible? Well, if we trusted God’s word, we would know it is possible.

The answer to capturing our  thoughts is right there in Scripture, hidden in plain sight. Psalm 46:10 says, “Be still and know that I am God.” 

 on: October 17, 2019, 05:28:29 PM 
Started by Doug - Last post by Musterseed
The Old vs. the NEW

John 1:17,,, For the law was given by Moses( the old covenant)
but grace and truth came by Jesus. ( New Covenant)

Luke 5:36-39
And He ( Jesus) spoke unto them a parable unto them ( Pharisees); no man puts a piece of
new garment upon an old; If otherwise, then both the new makes a rent ( tear) and the piece
that was taken out of the new agrees not with the old, not according with the covenant which I made with their fathers ( the old covenant Heb.8:9) And no man puts old wine into new bottles ( wineskins)
; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish( be RUINED).
But new wine must be put into new bottles and both are preserved. No man also having drunk
old wine straight away desires new, for he says “ the OLD is better.”

This is a parable! Jesus is speaking of the Old and New Covenants . We cannot, we dare not try to put the old with the new.BOTH WILL BE RUINED. Why dont we believe Jesus? We can’t put the old and new together. And true to Jesus words , when people come into the knowledge of the New Covenant,

2 Cor. 5:1,,, Wherefore henceforth know we no man after ( according to ) the flesh; yeah
thought we have known Christ after the flesh , YET NOW HENCEFORTH WE KNOW HIM
NO MORE.( after the flesh)

2 Corth 5:17,, Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature( creation) , old
things are passed away; behold,ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW.

This is from LOF pt. 6 , all caps are Rays.

 My understanding is we have to leave the Pharisees in the dust. Following the Sermon
On the Mount New Spiritual Laws of Jesus Christ and only possible with Christ dwelling
In us.
Another quote from Ray from the LOF pt. 6,,,,,,,” The CHOSEN live by the New Covenant:
The “ CALLED”  try to live by the New and Old covenants. They have never learned this
simple lesson.”No servant can serve TWO masters.( Luke 16:13) they are not to be unequally yoked together, seeing that they are not equal. If you want to be a New Testament Christian, then you need to learn and know what the New Testament is all about.

Love your enemies
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world, lust of the flesh, lust of
the eyes, pride of life

I am crucified WITH Christ.

These are the spiritual laws of the anew Covenant. They are far superior to the laws
of Moses under the old covenant.

I hope this helps
In Christ, Pamela

 on: October 17, 2019, 05:16:27 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Wanda
A comment from Ray in the  transcript of the 2008 Nashville  Conference. A link to both audio and transcript.,9502.0.html?PHPSESSID=l3lr9ccdpmccq1utb5bhor2r06

Ray's [Comment: Now you have to understand when we talk about evolution we are not automatically talking about atheistic spontaneous generation and all of that.  That word evolution is not a nasty word, it does have meaning and it does fit into the scheme of many things that we find in nature. 

I found this scientific case on why Evolution could never happen at all interesting.

The main scientific reason why there is no evidence for evolution in either the present or the past (except in the creative imagination of evolutionary scientists) is because one of the most fundamental laws of nature precludes it. The law of increasing entropy -- also known as the second law of thermodynamics -- stipulates that all systems in the real world tend to go "downhill," as it were, toward disorganization and decreased complexity.

This law of entropy is, by any measure, one of the most universal, bestproved laws of nature. It applies not only in physical and chemical systems, but also in biological and geological systems -- in fact, in all systems, without exception.

 on: October 17, 2019, 03:35:31 PM 
Started by Doug - Last post by waterfall77
This is a little off subject, I have wondered about what seaofglass just wrote. Is there a reason why God opens the eyes of some people  to see truth
but those same people are not apart of the chosen ?

 on: October 17, 2019, 12:34:16 PM 
Started by Doug - Last post by seaofglass
i am promted to reply

your heart is in the right place Dave.

i know cause all your many past responses indicate this.  this is what i expect to see in those he is working with, not all who know the truths are part of the choosen!  The fruit of their character will tell you who they are, by their fruit you shall know them.

its the small little character flause that sticks out most that tells you about someone. The world is a smorgashburg of confussion so this crime case is carnal world at work.  Stay clear of the world and stay forcus on ourselves and we will be busy for the rest of our lives.

Be blessed

Sea of Glass

 on: October 17, 2019, 01:57:15 AM 
Started by Doug - Last post by Dave in Tenn
Let's not veer too far off the topic as it was started.  It was started to give a "pictorial" example of how forgiveness changes hearts.  I don't expect the world to adhere to the Spiritual Law.  I don't even expect them to understand it.  But from time to time some tiny glimmer of "example" can be seen in this twisted world that illustrates the Spiritual Law for those with eyes to see it.

Speaking only for myself, I can say with complete certainty that there has been NO change in my "behavior" that wasn't preceded by a change of heart--not by fear, or any other consequence of "deterrence".  I'm going to go on record before God and everybody and state this:  If the Judgments of God (Who IS the Lake of Fire)  are not designed to do, intended to do (or are not capable of doing) something much greater than deterring bad behavior, then I am not interested in judging the world.  I have much higher hopes for ultimate "righteousness" than that.  I'm looking forward to the time when Love (and all the other fruit of the Spirit) reigns unencumbered and completely.  This life (for me) is learning how that works.  The Day is coming when He shall pour out His Spirit on all flesh and it will bear MUCH fruit.


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