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 on: Yesterday at 11:24:00 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by Musterseed
Gen.4:16
And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the Land of Nod
on the east of Eden.17: and Cain knew his wife, and she conceived.

So I am thinking Cain met his wife in the Land of Nod.

Nod, H5113- vagrancy, land of Cain
        H5112- exile , wandering, vagabond , to wander, flee

Sounds like Nod is the world of wandering, spiritually, dead sinners who are lost.

When I was growing up Nod meant time to sleep. Going to bed. The Land Of Sleep.🤔
Or nodding off, sleepy.

I have a notebook that says on the front,,, Not all those who wander are lost.😁

I have E-sword now and one word leads to endless words and meanings. Amazing.
East means,in front of.

In Christ, Pamela


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 on: Yesterday at 10:37:30 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by Dennis Vogel
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Like the lady in my first sentence, Adam and Eve were really excited about reproduction.
God told them to "get to it" and make a lot of babies, so maybe like the woman I mentioned they probably made quite a few, perhaps one every couple of years or less. I'm sure Adam was eager to obey God in this way regardless of his previous disobedience regarding the forbidden fruit.

We have the generations of Adam recorded in Genesis 5:

Notice Seth begat sons and daughters. It doesn't say he married his own sister.

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Also you mentioned that Cain knew that there were other people.
Of course he did...they were Adam's children and brothers or sisters or cousins to Cain and Abel.
They probably had grown up with both brothers and worked to build homes and orchards and herds of sheep and played together for years.
It was a very large family and Adam and Eve led them as is normal for parents to do.

Are you sure about that Bob?


Gen 5:1  This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen 5:2  Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Gen 5:3  And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Gen 5:4  And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:5  And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Gen 5:6  And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
Gen 5:7  And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:8  And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
Gen 5:9  And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
Gen 5:10  And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:11  And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
Gen 5:12  And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:
Gen 5:13  And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:14  And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
Gen 5:15  And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
Gen 5:16  And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:17  And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
Gen 5:18  And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
Gen 5:19  And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:20  And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
Gen 5:21  And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
Gen 5:22  And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:23  And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
Gen 5:24  And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Gen 5:25  And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
Gen 5:26  And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:27  And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
Gen 5:28  And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
Gen 5:29  And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.
Gen 5:30  And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:31  And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
Gen 5:32  And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

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 on: Yesterday at 10:06:26 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by indianabob
Hi Wanda,

Here in my home town we just buried a 95 year old woman who had 12 live births after her marriage at age 17.
Only three have survived her, so the other 9 died before she did. Strong, determined woman, mother and wife.
This was a lot more common in past centuries.

Addressing your comment re: the "people" outside the Garden of Eden.

There weren't any people inside the Garden because God sent Adam and Eve out before there were any kids. Yes/no?

Like the lady in my first sentence, Adam and Eve were really excited about reproduction.
God told them to "get to it" and make a lot of babies, so maybe like the woman I mentioned they probably made quite a few, perhaps one every couple of years or less. I'm sure Adam was eager to obey God in this way regardless of his previous disobedience regarding the forbidden fruit.

(side comment) I have a daughter who is 14 months older than her little brother.  ;)
 
The average woman today has about 500 or more eggs available divided by 12 months which would allow about 40 kids if she kept really busy. AND with perfect health and ample food and environmental comfort there is no reason that the eldest daughter(s) would not love to help Mom as soon as they were ten years old so the burden of caring for 30 or 40 kids would be minimal.
Still a large responsibility of course...

Plus if conditions were even anything like today the boys and girls would be trying sex as soon as they came into puberty and there was nothing wrong with that.
It was orders from God. Go to it! Fill the earth!

Also please note that Adam was also spiritually dead.
Isn't that why God kicked him out of the Garden??
Cain was certainly spiritually dead, otherwise why be jealous of Abel and kill him.

In fact almost every living person in the world today is "spiritually dead" even those worshiping in error every Sunday.

Also you mentioned that Cain knew that there were other people.
Of course he did...they were Adam's children and brothers or sisters or cousins to Cain and Abel.
They probably had grown up with both brothers and worked to build homes and orchards and herds of sheep and played together for years.
It was a very large family and Adam and Eve led them as is normal for parents to do.

Just my opinion of course. Bob

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 on: Yesterday at 09:19:35 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by indianabob
Thanks for the reply about your younger years.
Many kids seem to like to be frightened when they are with friends in a crowd.
 :o boo  ::)

Question though.
What is frightening about the spiritually dead? They don't bother me...
They will just have to wait until God grants them a new heart of understanding. Yes/no?

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 on: Yesterday at 08:44:54 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by Wanda
Bob,

I got interupted while posting and didn't complete my thought.

The people outside the garden, didn't have a relationship with God as Adam did, therefore  they were spiritually  dead. 

Mat 8:22  But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

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 on: Yesterday at 06:00:51 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by Wanda
Bob,

I should have said they are big Walking Dead enthusiasts. It's just another mind sucking  cable show on TV. I've never seen it myself but it has a huge following as I understand. Just one of the reasons I don't own a TV anymore. Interesting point, I never knew about the show until I came across the video I shared.  Then I did a search for something totally unrelated and all the results that came  back were about the TV show. Either google knows about the spiritually dead, or their spying technology has a serious glitch.🤔

Personally I can't judge, I used to watch every horror movie that came out when I was young,  with the exception of those about demonic possession. Even the commercials for one of those would send me running from the room. I didn't actually believe any of it, or  know what pagan beliefs were connected to any of it. I was young, dumb and ignorant,  and  I suspect those following the show are too.

From my humorous perspective, I associate the zombies/walking dead , with the spiritually dead. Which in my opinion has the potential to be much scarier than some fictional zombies.




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 on: Yesterday at 05:47:20 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by Wanda
Okay Bob, but keep in mind it's just my opinion and therefore nothing more than speculation.

It's important to also note what I believe from studying Ray's broad scope of teachings, and the scriptures.

I believe man has been on the earth for longer than 6,000 years. I also believe there were people before Adam.

So there's no confusion, let me first state, we know that Eve is metaphorically the mother of all who are alive in Christ and will be alive in Christ in the future.

We know from Genesis 3:20-21  that Adam named his wife Eve at some point after sin entered the world.

I think it's possible this is when Adam learned there were other people on earth, and one of the reasons he  gave her the name Eve, mother of all living.   This would mean these people were also a part of God's plan of salvation for all.

Cain kills Abel -

Genesis  4:9-15  God's punishment upon Cain for killing Abel , and as a result he feared for his life from those he would encounter outside of  his homeland.

1) How did Cain know there were other people?

2) How would they know what he had done?

3) What would motivate them to kill him?

Makes sense to me Bob.





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 on: May 23, 2019, 11:50:08 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by indianabob

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IMO, there is a connection here.

And I've often used these two verses as proof that Adam and Eve were not the first humans. But just my opinion.

I've looked at this in every scriptural way I know and it's obvious this is saying more than I once thought. Makes me wonder what Adam knew that we don't.

Another one of those great mysteries.

I've read on the forum,  where others have said who they would first like to talk to in the next age; at this point,  I can say I want 10 minutes with Adam. I have my most relevant questions ready.☺


Wanda, would you care to share a couple of those questions so we can speculate an answer??

 9 
 on: May 23, 2019, 11:47:40 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by indianabob
O.K. now I have another question.
What is a "great" zombie enthusiast?
I know that kids play weird games, but witchcraft is dangerous, especially for empty minds.
How does that fit with their desire to bring peace and tranquility to the family setting?

Zombie:
 "The term comes from Haitian folklore, in which a zombie is a dead body reanimated through various methods, most commonly magic."


Isn't belief in such myths similar to demon worship?
Because... if a dead body is "animated" it would seem to be a demon miracle similar to what was illustrated in Jesus' time on earth.
see Matt 5:1-20

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 on: May 23, 2019, 04:31:43 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by Wanda
No problem Bob.

I didn't take it personal. I considered your reaction came from a place only you could know.

My reply was to give another perspective, from my own experience. Growing up,  we kids were very close because we moved a lot and didn't stay in any one place long enough to make friends. Even so, we were viewed by others as less worthy among our peers, because we were poor with no father. Divorce was not as common back then, and there was a great stigma attached to it.  Reminds me of the saying, "A family who plays together stays together".  We could,  and did many things to eachother that we never would have tolerated  from an outsider, because we knew it came from a place of love., and we felt secure in that. I think the family in the video have that kind of bond.

I've heard all of them speak about that prank, they're all great zombie enthusiasts,  and it was clear those brothers adored their sister and she them. One of those situations where things are not as they might first appear.

Even in her drug induced haze she had some great critical thinking skills. Some brothers make that a necessary skill to hone as a sister.☺


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