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 on: July 19, 2019, 11:11:10 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by Wanda
For anyone not familiar with this subject on the judgement God has set aside for a future time.

Excerpt -

LOF III - GOD'S TWO AREAS AND ERAS OF JUDGMENT

https://bible-truths.com/lake3.html

And are these non-believers judged differently from believers who are "revealed, tried, salted and baptized IN FIRE?" Just HOW are these non-believers judged in the book of Revelation? How are the "...fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars..." JUDGED? Answer: "...In the lake WHICH BURNS WITH FIRE..." (Rev. 21:8)!

Is this "fire" in the book of Revelation DIFFERENT from the fire that tries the works of believers in the book of I Corinthians? NO. The word "fire" used in the four examples above concerning believers, is the SAME word "fire" used in the book of Revelation concerning non-believers:






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 on: July 18, 2019, 11:04:31 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by indianabob
Well said Wanda and helpful for understanding.
When people are deceived by false understanding then by definition they do not know that they are believing error and deceived...unless and until God opens their mind to seek truth and gain true understanding. Even then there is the temptation to assume that they figured it out for themselves. That is why it takes many years to attain spiritual maturity.

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 on: July 18, 2019, 06:41:52 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by Wanda
Another ever present question I have,  why do people love their God of wrath and destruction so much, they'll run from truth that speaks to the love of God?


I’ve encountered mostly the opposite.

Maybe it’s human nature for us to gravitate towards the extremes when we are in groups such as churches and ideologies.

Sounds like you’ve experienced mostly people on one end of the spectrum. The “wrath and punishment” side of the spectrum. I’ve experienced mostly people on the opposite side of the spectrum. The “God is love and whatever you do is forgiven no matter what-and God accepts you just as you are” side.

And both sides “love” their god because they (we) believe that God is on their (our) side.

I was speaking in generalities and from past experiences mostly, but have encountered this even with people here among us on this forum. I've personally never met anyone that didn't believe God was going to kill, or torture the unbelievers and some believing even the earth itself must be burned with fire to cleanse it. Even those who believe God loves us in spite of our sinfullness,  hold on to some form of end time, or after death impending doom.

I take it you've never met a die hard hellfire believer. They will defend that doctrine as if their very life depends on it. I know it's out of fear mostly. That's why I think it's so important to emphasize the true love of our creator, whenever we can, especially on this forum, where others read  our comments.

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 on: July 18, 2019, 05:45:11 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by lareli
Another ever present question I have,  why do people love their God of wrath and destruction so much, they'll run from truth that speaks to the love of God?


I’ve encountered mostly the opposite.

Maybe it’s human nature for us to gravitate towards the extremes when we are in groups such as churches and ideologies.

Sounds like you’ve experienced mostly people on one end of the spectrum. The “wrath and punishment” side of the spectrum. I’ve experienced mostly people on the opposite side of the spectrum. The “God is love and whatever you do is forgiven no matter what-and God accepts you just as you are” side.

And both sides “love” their god because they (we) believe that God is on their (our) side.




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 on: July 18, 2019, 04:24:05 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by Wanda
Another ever present question I have,  why do people love their God of wrath and destruction so much, they'll run from truth that speaks to the love of God?

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 on: July 18, 2019, 02:40:39 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by Wanda
No, its quiet obvious those in the world have not learned righteousness at this point in time.

Romans 2:5

5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed

A future judgement for each one for his own works, at the White Throne Judgement. He judges in righteousness to teach righteousness, otherwise nothing constructive would be accomplished, by killing people, like in the event with the twin towers on 9/11.or with natural disasters, or even with an end time apocalyptic slaughter.

In Romans 1, Paul makes it pretty clear that in this age God has given mankind over to his own depravity until our Lord returns. I wouldn't expect any less from a just, righteous and loving God.

Romans 1

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Thanks Dave. I'll do a study on the scriptures you shared.

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 on: July 18, 2019, 12:38:03 PM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by lareli
Yes. Some did. Some did not.

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 on: July 18, 2019, 12:36:11 AM 
Started by Wanda - Last post by Dave in Tenn
Isa 26:8  Yea, Jehovah, in the path of Your judgments we awaited You; for Your name and for Your memory is the desire of our soul.
Isa 26:9  With my soul I desire You in the night; yea, with my spirit within me I diligently seek You. For when Your judgments are in the earth, those living in the world learn righteousness.
Isa 26:10  The wicked finds favor; he does not learn righteousness; he deals perversely in the land of honesty, and does not see the majesty of Jehovah.

There's a lot to digest in just those three verses, much less the entire chapter.  Any one of them can send us on a bible-study of epic proportions--once we might begin to think "not topically", but spiritually.  My short answer is simply this:  Did the inhabitants of the world (or even of the US) learn righteousness?  If not, then the promise of "righteous judgement" has not been fulfilled in those living in the world. 







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 on: July 17, 2019, 02:20:38 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by ZekeSr
Interesting story about gold derivatives and so forth, but over my head.
Question: is it presently legal for citizens to own and hold privately gold bullion or coins or either one?
If we have real gold buried in the back yard we have some semblance of protection from abject poverty.
Provided... we can actually spend it for food and shelter and that depends upon whether any one will accept it.
Provided also that the government doesn't find out and confiscate the metal...by court order.
Of course our U. S. government officials would never do that to a loyal citizen. Right?
 ::) ::)

It is legal to own gold in any form in the US and the US government confiscating the gold is a real possibility. Those who think this is more than a possibility buy gold jewelry and coins which have historically not been confiscated.

The biggest reason to own physical gold or silver is to maintain the same purchasing power if there is serious inflation.

FDR made it illegal for private citizens to own more than $100 worth of gold in 1933. That lasted until Dec 31, 1974, after which the ban was lifted. There were exceptions like Dennis mentioned. But, yes it could happen again. One of the suggestions I have heard and read numerous times is to own what is called "junk silver"... circulated coins pre 1964 (dimes, quarters, and halves) as they are legal tender, almost pure silver and worth much more than their face value. There is not much chance for confiscation and would be handy for buying/bartering.
Also, like Dennis mentioned, the biggest reason to own precious metals is to maintain purchasing power if there is serious inflation.
Even so, it is only a stop-gap. As there will come a day when nothing of value will matter.

Mike

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 on: July 17, 2019, 09:19:01 AM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Dennis Vogel
Interesting story about gold derivatives and so forth, but over my head.
Question: is it presently legal for citizens to own and hold privately gold bullion or coins or either one?
If we have real gold buried in the back yard we have some semblance of protection from abject poverty.
Provided... we can actually spend it for food and shelter and that depends upon whether any one will accept it.
Provided also that the government doesn't find out and confiscate the metal...by court order.
Of course our U. S. government officials would never do that to a loyal citizen. Right?
 ::) ::)

It is legal to own gold in any form in the US and the US government confiscating the gold is a real possibility. Those who think this is more than a possibility buy gold jewelry and coins which have historically not been confiscated.

The biggest reason to own physical gold or silver is to maintain the same purchasing power if there is serious inflation.

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