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 11 
 on: October 31, 2024, 11:31:15 AM 
Started by Dave in Tenn - Last post by HoneyLamb56
good news to hear that you are healing so well! 🌞

 12 
 on: October 28, 2024, 04:39:45 PM 
Started by Dynamo54 - Last post by Dynamo54
Porter, as they say in the British parliament, “hear, hear”.

It is somewhat comforting in knowing others (who have  been long a long time at this) also have difficulty on this road. But not to wish difficulty on anyone!

Ray said the hardest thing we will ever do is make it into the Kingdom. I know that it is in no way the hardest physical thing I have done (at least not yet), but is the hardest mental and emotional thing (dare I say “spiritual”?) thing to continue on in overcoming the beast within.

I have to very very often remind myself that “I” will no way overcome…it has to be Christ in me. I just wish He would hurry up!


 13 
 on: October 28, 2024, 07:31:11 AM 
Started by Dave in Tenn - Last post by Porter
So glad to hear you're feeling better Dave.

They gave you yellow socks? Man I need to up my game because they only ever gave me boring gray ones.  :o ;D

 14 
 on: October 28, 2024, 07:28:32 AM 
Started by Dynamo54 - Last post by Porter
It really is a tough road to be on, isn't it. I'm fully convinced that “setbacks” are a considerable part of Christ's work in humbling us. It's one thing to say “no one is righteous”, but it's something else entirely to experience it personally and daily. That is why I'm always amazed that I even have faith and hope left at the end of the day.

 15 
 on: October 24, 2024, 06:20:58 PM 
Started by Dynamo54 - Last post by Dave in Tenn
Wait till it feels like five steps forward and four back.   :D 

Surely he could have picked somebody better than me.  But I remember often about the "third of the trees" and the "third of the grass".  You know, even if it really is exactly 1/3 at a time, mathematically it never really ends.  A third of 90 leaves 60.  A third of 60 leaves 40.  A third of 40 leaves 26.67.  A third of 26.67 leaves 17.78.  And so on and so on.  What remains gets ever smaller, but it doesn't completely go away.       

 16 
 on: October 24, 2024, 05:31:42 PM 
Started by Dynamo54 - Last post by Wendy
Dynamo54,




    Yes I think about it and i would never wanna go back it’s a long rough road but worth every step of the way in the progress we make I do the same 2 steps forward  10 back but thanks to God I keep moving
Praise God for His goodness and patience with us

God bless
Wendy

 17 
 on: October 24, 2024, 12:25:34 AM 
Started by Dynamo54 - Last post by Dynamo54
Do y’all ever think about if the Father had not brought you to Bible Truths and given you an ear to hear and an eye to see?

It is a tough road I am on overcoming this beast! Some weeks it seems like 2 steps forward and 1 step back….but I am really glad to be here nevertheless.

All praise to Jesus Christ who WILL give victory to ALL…some earlier than others.

 18 
 on: October 23, 2024, 06:03:46 PM 
Started by aktikt - Last post by Dave in Tenn
Hi all,

Something has bothered me from time to time and maybe one of you all can explain. 

In Matthew 24, there is a lot about very visible troubles if they are literal.  For example, "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places."  And then there's this: "How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For at that time there will be great tribulation,unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short."

Now, given all these things that would presumably not being done in a corner and have the whole world on edge.  How then can we have this: "As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. 39And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man."  So, how can they be oblivious of the above events such that they are marrying and are given in marriage. It seems like it's hard to be oblivious to events that are rocking the world to such an extent that you're like yeah let's get married next week.

Thanks,
Josh

Hi Josh.  There's a bit to unpack in your post, so bear with me if you want.

To my mind it doesn't much matter if these "things" you quoted--You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places...--are "literal" or "spiritual".  What they ARE are general conditions which may happen any time and are NOT specific to "the end".  Indeed. if there is anything specific to "the end" in those portions is that "men will come saying".  I guarantee you, THAT prophecy has been extremely well fulfilled.

The other portions you referenced have, I believe, a more specific reference.  Many people believe these "sayings" were fulfilled in 70 AD.  There is certainly some truth in that.  The sacking of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple marked the absolute end of the "Old Covenant" with sacrifices, even though the "New Covenant" began at His crucifixion--the new covenant in His blood.  And this is where some spiritual discernment needs to take place, because the words of Jesus ARE Spirit!  There are still people following an (at least modified version of the) Old Covenant.  And, for them, this "destruction" and "tribulation" is yet to be realized in their own lives, or perhaps is underway and not yet complete. 

Ray put it this way:  Preterists reject the future.  Futurists reject the past.  Both positions reject the present. 

And I reject the notion that the "literal" isn't Spiritual and that the "Spiritual" isn't real.  Indeed, ONLY the Spiritual is REAL, no matter a damn what's happening in the physical, or literal, or in so-called IRL.


On to Noah.   ;D

I don't doubt that there were some "wicked" mixed in with the population that was swept away.  But the "evil" that was always and only on the people's minds continually was that use of "evil" which has no moral bias.  I've lived that life, and probably you have too--or at least tasted it.

H7451
רעה / רע
ra‛ / râ‛âh
BDB Definition:
1) bad, evil (adjective)
1a) bad, disagreeable, malignant
1b) bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
1c) evil, displeasing
1d) bad (of its kind - land, water, etc)
1e) bad (of value)
1f) worse than, worst (comparison)
1g) sad, unhappy
1h) evil (hurtful)
1i) bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)
1j) bad, evil, wicked (ethically)
1j1) in general, of persons, of thoughts
1j2) deeds, actions
2) evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity (noun masculine)
2a) evil, distress, adversity
2b) evil, injury, wrong
2c) evil (ethical)
3) evil, misery, distress, injury (noun feminine)
3a) evil, misery, distress
3b) evil, injury, wrong
3c) evil (ethical)

ra‛    râ‛âh
rah, raw-aw'
From H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun: - adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil ([-favouredness], man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief (-vous), harm, heavy, hurt (-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief, (-vous), misery, naught (-ty), noisome, + not please, sad (-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked (-ly, -ness, one), worse (-st) wretchedness, wrong. [Including feminine ra’ah; as adjective or noun.]
Total KJV occurrences: 664




So here's a big little thought.  SPIRITUALLY, the flood represents the Judgement on the world, which is only and always thinking about "evil" and all that brings about.  We believe that this "judgement" on the world is a good thing FOR the world.  For if the whole world is to be saved, can you think of a better list of things to be saved FROM than what populates that definition?  What a glorious day it is and was and will be when the light of this glorious gospel shines on the world and His Spirit is poured out on all flesh.

If that's the case, then I think what you said about "the Days of Noah" is the right approach to understanding.  They's just folks, doing their things.  They have some inner inkling that things could be "different", but "many have come saying..." and snatched even that away.

And THAT stuff's been going on since forever ago, no matter what current events they were watching on TV or how much history was in their vellum text-books.

I probably didn't answer your question directly, but maybe these tangential thoughts can help.   


 


 19 
 on: October 23, 2024, 04:51:18 PM 
Started by Dave in Tenn - Last post by Dave in Tenn
Thanks Rene.  AND!  AND!  I got another pair of bright yellow no-slip socks!  Free!

 20 
 on: October 23, 2024, 12:42:06 PM 
Started by Dave in Tenn - Last post by Rene
Thank you for the update, Dave.  So happy to hear your procedure went well.   :)

Rene

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