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 on: January 18, 2018, 12:32:30 PM 
Started by cheekie3 - Last post by largeli
I go with John on this.  Too many heresies are creeping into this forum.  I though preaching is not allowed.  I have been reading Ray's material since 2002 and can honestly say the majority here have not even read half of what Ray shared (what a shame).  May God direct our steps to the Truth.

What heresy?

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 on: January 18, 2018, 03:45:15 AM 
Started by cheekie3 - Last post by Brenda
I go with John on this.  Too many heresies are creeping into this forum.  I though preaching is not allowed.  I have been reading Ray's material since 2002 and can honestly say the majority here have not even read half of what Ray shared (what a shame).  May God direct our steps to the Truth.

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 on: January 17, 2018, 03:52:28 AM 
Started by largeli - Last post by Nett
AMEN Dave in Tenn, AMEN!!!



To add to Mike's post.

In the Revelation passage, those who overcome are not pictured as "testifying" to others.  Nor are they testifying (solely) about their personal faith.  They overcome by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their "testimony".

What is more important--your faith and/or the story of your faith, or the One in Whom you have faith...The One who died for you.  Is the Gospel more important or is your faith in the Gospel more important?

If you picture a courtroom (and Paul was quite literally in "court" at the rough time of his revelation/vision) YOU are not the only one being "accused".  (What he does to the least of these My brethren he has done to Me).  You and me and every other believer are not all that important in the grand scheme of things.  HE is paramount.  When we "testify" of things in this court where Satan is accusing day and night, we are testifying not about our own experience but of the work, character, and promise of God.  We are testifying the things concerning HIM.

The night my spiritual eyes were opened is important to me.  Telling that story may be of encouragement to other believers.  But I didn't die for their sins.  And since that night, day and night constantly, the Adversary (in court) continues to "accuse".  It's not enough for me to wrap myself up in the blanket of my own testimony.  What is VITAL is that the Lord Himself be and remain TRUE.  HE's the One whose Testimony frees the brethren--all of them.  The ones in the revelation testify against the accuser on behalf of the Lord and His brothers.

Here's a spiritual match:

1Ti 4:9  Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
1Ti 4:10  (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
1Ti 4:11  especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.

That's OUR testimony (the especially) in this spiritual court on behalf of the brethren being accused day and night.  If you can testify/provide witness/bring evidence to that, then you are among those who are overcoming.


     

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 on: January 16, 2018, 11:29:45 AM 
Started by largeli - Last post by largeli
A common question to Ray in the emails section is,

“Where should I go to church?”

Rays answer was that he knew of not one church that taught the things we learn here at bt.

My question to the forum is,

If there was a church in your town that did teach and believe what Ray taught, from the salvation of all, the sovereignty of God, exposing the lie of free will, and even all the way down to what Ray taught about tithing.. would you go/join?


I have to say I’d be hesitant.. probably a “no” for me though.

"believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” (John 4:21-24)

Essentially it's a no based practically on principle, calling a brick building a "church" is like calling your mother a washing machine. It's implausable. Also, remember this....true worship is obedience.

I agree. But when I say ‘church’ I’m not talking about a brick building, but instead a group of people who refer to themselves as a “we” and who have a “leader” or a head person. A organized hierarchy.

 5 
 on: January 16, 2018, 11:26:43 AM 
Started by largeli - Last post by largeli
Some really good thoughts Dave. Thanks guys.

 6 
 on: January 14, 2018, 11:32:29 AM 
Started by Karen_47 - Last post by Dave in Tenn
Hi Karen, to quote scripture without chapter and verse--Don't worry about anything. 

Besides, the last thing most people would want to dig out of the trash is a religious book.   :D  If somebody did find them, they would do with them precisely what would be in their heart to do. 

 7 
 on: January 14, 2018, 06:28:12 AM 
Started by Karen_47 - Last post by Karen_47
I'm serious.
I have thought about what would really happen if I threw them away and someone pick them up read them, and get false teachings by it..

But,  throwing them away would be the answer.

Thank you.

 8 
 on: January 14, 2018, 02:41:59 AM 
Started by Karen_47 - Last post by John from Kentucky
Hi,

This has not much of a subject. But,
 
bought 2 big heavy books from false preachers when i was affiliated with them  I'm not gonna lie they have a good hard texture covers.
 I have no idea where to throw them out .. Should I just throw them out in garbage?

Thank you for the help from this situation.

Karen,

Your question makes me wonder if you are an adult woman who comes among us with a sincere question.

If you truly come here with a clean heart, may God heal you and give you peace and guide your path.

John

 9 
 on: January 14, 2018, 12:35:06 AM 
Started by largeli - Last post by believechrist100
A common question to Ray in the emails section is,

“Where should I go to church?”

Rays answer was that he knew of not one church that taught the things we learn here at bt.

My question to the forum is,

If there was a church in your town that did teach and believe what Ray taught, from the salvation of all, the sovereignty of God, exposing the lie of free will, and even all the way down to what Ray taught about tithing.. would you go/join?


I have to say I’d be hesitant.. probably a “no” for me though.

"believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” (John 4:21-24)

Essentially it's a no based practically on principle, calling a brick building a "church" is like calling your mother a washing machine. It's implausable. Also, remember this....true worship is obedience.

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 on: January 13, 2018, 11:41:47 PM 
Started by Karen_47 - Last post by Karen_47
Hi,

This has not much of a subject. But,
 
bought 2 big heavy books from false preachers when i was affiliated with them  I'm not gonna lie they have a good hard texture covers.
 I have no idea where to throw them out .. Should I just throw them out in garbage?

Thank you for the help from this situation.

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