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 on: Yesterday at 02:43:10 PM 
Started by largeli - Last post by indianabob
Hi,
In verse 12 where Paul states "anyone" doesn't it also refer to believers only?
Salvation comes only to believers, but each in their own time at which point they have been granted or gifted with belief..
Even those not part of the elect in this age will become similar to the present days elect when God does call them for the first time after their resurrection.
The teaching of righteousness that "we" are experiencing today will be the same then except that I suppose that there will not be all the false teaching to have to try to figure out since Jesus the Christ will be in charge. They at that time will be as little children learning at the feet of elder Kings and Priests (governors and teachers) of that day. They will still have human nature that needs to be changed to a more spiritual nature with the leading of God's holy spirit just as we the chosen have the benefit of today.




I've read and listened to where Ray showed that 1 Cor 3:15 is a match for the lake of fire in Revelation and showing that everyone's work will be judged by fire but the man himself will be saved.

1 Cor 3:10-15

10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

My question is, doesn't this sound like Paul is talking about believers only? Isn't he talking about only people who've built their spiritual house upon the foundation of Jesus?

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 on: May 25, 2017, 12:16:41 PM 
Started by largeli - Last post by largeli
Thanks for the link Dave, and Porter thanks for reminding me that no scripture is of its own interpretation. Very important key to understanding.

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 on: May 25, 2017, 08:51:21 AM 
Started by largeli - Last post by Porter
It seems there is more than one type of builder. Those who build on the sand and those who build on the Rock. I wonder if all the non-Elect could fit into the sand category? I want to say yes because anyone who has ever had a false belief in Christ could fit. Even the Elect at one time built on the sand also. I dunno just thinking out loud. 


1 Cor 3:10-15 alone may seem like it's talking about believers only, but as you know it can't explain itself so another witness is needed. Also understanding the two judgements by fire helps a lot too.

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 on: May 24, 2017, 07:35:16 PM 
Started by largeli - Last post by Dave in Tenn
This should help.

http://bible-truths.com/lake6.html

Two judgements.  One fire.


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 on: May 24, 2017, 01:50:57 PM 
Started by largeli - Last post by largeli
I've read and listened to where Ray showed that 1 Cor 3:15 is a match for the lake of fire in Revelation and showing that everyone's work will be judged by fire but the man himself will be saved.

1 Cor 3:10-15

10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

My question is, doesn't this sound like Paul is talking about believers only? Isn't he talking about only people who've built their spiritual house upon the foundation of Jesus?


 6 
 on: May 24, 2017, 11:18:39 AM 
Started by stello - Last post by stello
2 Peter 3:13" But we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth he has promised, a world filled with God's righteousness."


2 Peter 1:4 "Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires."


Isaiah 65:17 "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind."

Isaiah 60:21 "Then all your people will be righteous; They will possess the land forever, The branch of My planting, The work of My hands, That I may be glorified."

God bless you all.

Stello

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 on: May 24, 2017, 06:41:14 AM 
Started by Brenda - Last post by cheekie3
Dave -

Thank you for providing this additional information:

There was a time I thought of "grace" as akin to some kind of "spiritual mustard" or invisible holy water...someTHING that got "smeared" or "sprinkled" on people, after which they were "saved".  Don't laugh too hard...at least I didn't think physical mustard or holy water did anything spiritually real.  Now I understand "grace" is active.

For God loved the world in this manner--that He gave His Only Begotten Son...Grace.
The Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world...Grace.
Grace...came by/through Jesus Christ.

Maybe "gracing" is a better translation, since Theologians have muddied the meaning.  I don't know.  Like all those pesky bible-words, it's a word first.  Technically, it's a noun.  But I think of it as a "gerund", from:

 G5463
χαίρω
chairō
Thayer Definition:
1) to rejoice, be glad
2) to rejoice exceedingly
3) to be well, thrive
4) in salutations, hail!
5) at the beginning of letters: to give one greeting, salute
Part of Speech: verb

Does that moisten or "undry" the theology a little?




What a "gerund" is  (I wasn't an English Major either, but I dig words):  http://www.softschools.com/examples/grammar/gerunds_examples/95/

Your Love for the root meaning of words is greatly appreciated.

Warmest Regards.

George

 8 
 on: May 24, 2017, 12:15:05 AM 
Started by Brenda - Last post by Musterseed
Hi Dave
You said now I understand grace is active.
Your right,,,, I read The LOF111 today.

Grace as a verb , Ray uses the word gracing also.

Spiritual mustard is good on spiritual hotdogs 😂😜😜🌭

Peace to you,,,, Pamela


 9 
 on: May 23, 2017, 08:27:54 PM 
Started by Brenda - Last post by Dave in Tenn
There was a time I thought of "grace" as akin to some kind of "spiritual mustard" or invisible holy water...someTHING that got "smeared" or "sprinkled" on people, after which they were "saved".  Don't laugh too hard...at least I didn't think physical mustard or holy water did anything spiritually real.  Now I understand "grace" is active.

For God loved the world in this manner--that He gave His Only Begotten Son...Grace.
The Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world...Grace.
Grace...came by/through Jesus Christ.

Maybe "gracing" is a better translation, since Theologians have muddied the meaning.  I don't know.  Like all those pesky bible-words, it's a word first.  Technically, it's a noun.  But I think of it as a "gerund", from:

 G5463
χαίρω
chairō
Thayer Definition:
1) to rejoice, be glad
2) to rejoice exceedingly
3) to be well, thrive
4) in salutations, hail!
5) at the beginning of letters: to give one greeting, salute
Part of Speech: verb

Does that moisten or "undry" the theology a little?




What a "gerund" is  (I wasn't an English Major either, but I dig words):  http://www.softschools.com/examples/grammar/gerunds_examples/95/ 



 10 
 on: May 23, 2017, 06:04:17 PM 
Started by Brenda - Last post by cheekie3
Dennis -

Thank you for pointing these points out:

Quote
Grace Favours and Teaches us; and labours (or works) with us - and influences us - and being justified by His Faith in us, He is Saving us through His Grace.

You can say God favors us with grace. But you cannot say Grace itself favors anything. Grace is a verb and not something or someone that can bestow favor.

If I'm missing something please show me the chapter and verse.

Quote
SHERRY SUBLETT REGAN 1 year ago
GRACE IS UNMERITED FAVOR.   THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO EARN OR MERIT THAT FAVOR.....GOD FAVORS US JUST BECAUSE HE CAN.....HE DOES....HE IS SOVEREIGN.....HE CAN FAVOR WHOEVER HE WILLS BECAUSE HE IS GOD.  IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

Again, please show me chapter and verse where "GRACE IS UNMERITED FAVOR."

But I can find these words in the church: https://billygraham.org/devotion/gods-unmerited-favor/

Proof something is a lie: "if the church teaches it, it is not true" L. Ray Smith.

I stand corrected on both counts.

Warmest Regards.

George

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